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"I was struck in the early Ultima Online days by how many people were engaged in the profession of fishing, despite the fact that the simulation was a mere 50/50 dice roll with each use of the fishing pole." - Richard Garriott
"From now on all my writings are fish-hooks: Perhaps I understand fishing as well as anyone? ... If nothing got caught I am not to blame. There were no fish." - Friedrich Nietzsche, Ecce Homo, on Beyond Good and Evil
El was fascinated by the fact that fish were never seen until caught. And that, however many she caught, there were always fresh fish in the sea. El concluded that each cast simply opened a temporary portal to a "plane of infinite fish". El theorised that if there was a plane of infinite fish, there should also be infinite planes of other things. Like dwarves. Logically, by opening a portal to the "plane of infinite dwarves", Horde attacks on Ironforge would be repelled. By infinite dwarves: The ultimate weapon.
Unfortunately, El hasn't yet discovered how to summon infinite dwarves. But her curiosity has produced this book about fishing. With helpful hints and tips for dwarves... of the non-infinite variety.
About Salty El
"A fitting tribute for not only one of our biggest fans, but one of our biggest contributors to the community."
Salty is El's standard title. Salty El (illustrated) is a member of The Anglers faction. She can be seen in her Mists of Pandaria-level fishing gear - Arcanite Fishing Pole, Boots of the Bay and Nat's Hat - plus standard Blue Overalls and Heavy Linen Gloves. Blizzard's attention to detail is such that she even has a mana bar! Salty El travels round Pandaria, catching each Fish of the Day. This means Salty El may be found in 8 different locations - probably the greatest number of appearances by any one NPC representation of a player character. She is also thought to be the first living European character to be immortalised directly as herself.
About El's Extreme Anglin'
El's Extreme Anglin' was launched in August 2006. Writing and research started a few months before. It has been continuously updated since then.
Why write about fishing? The basic mechanics of fishing are very simple, but Blizzard designed a lot of hidden detail. Nobody had definitive answers to some quite simple questions, like what skill is required to fish in an area? I enjoy probing games and deriving patterns from data, so thought WoW fishing would be a bit of a challenge.
The site aims to:
- Be definitive: El was the first to document skill requirements, explain basic fishing mechanics, or even outline the pattern of resource node spawning. El's exploration and analysis of new content is widely trusted. But this is not just based on the research of "one gnome": The information here is drawn from many other anglers - both on El's forums, and elsewhere. This wider community helps keep the information here accurate.
- Be helpful: Knowing everything is easy! The hard part is breaking it down into just what each visitor needs to know. The site has gradually evolved to contain a lot more basic information about fishing, laid out in shorter, better illustrated articles. I'm always looking for ways to make it even more helpful.
- Be different (or better): Copying other sites adds nothing to the world. Either do what others are doing better, or do it differently. Preferably both. The Fish Finder is a good example: It offers information about catching fish in a different way to all the "standard" WoW database sites, addressing many of their limitations. I hope it is a better resource for where to catch fish. It is certainly different.
- Keep evolving: The internet allows very rapid iteration of ideas. Write something and see how many people read it. If it was popular, expand that content. Or write more pages in the same style. Don't worry about what didn't work. It's a very powerful logic, that has completely changed this site over time.
Contact and Credits
Errors, suggestions and comments can be sent to [email protected]. I'm always interested to hear about new changes in the game. You may also wish to post on the Forums. El can also be found at @elsanglin on Twitter. Before writing to me with an advertising proposal, please read the Advertising section below.
These pages were written by El's "alter ego", Tim Howgego. He has written about quite a lot of other games over the years, and really should have grown out of it by now. For further insight into the author(s), read the WoW Insider interview (original).
Like the book? Here is how you can help:
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- If you spot a change or find something entirely new when fishing, let us know!
- Recommend it to guild members and friends. A lot of anglers don't realise how much there is know.
- Spread angling! Most people are still missing out on fishing. Not enough gold? Burned out raiding, but still want to chat? Completing achievements?
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El's Extreme Anglin' is now one of the most popular fishing websites on the internet (the most popular appears to be FishBase). It has up to 10,000 visitors each day, over a hundred thousand unique visitors each month. Half of readers live in the United States, with most of the remainder in Northern Europe, Canada and Oceania. I estimate that one in four English-speaking World of Warcraft players will read this guide during their "careers". Further analysis of who reads El's Extreme Anglin' can be found on the author's 'blog. Quantcast also audit site traffic.
These pages were written by El's "alter ego", Tim Howgego, copyright © 2006-15, unless otherwise stated.
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Inevitably the game will change over time, so I can make no guarantees as to the accuracy of the information presented here.
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Comments about Credits
Below are readers' comments about "Credits":
el, February 2008
Taisai suggested we should "get the name out" about this site. That started me thinking about how the people that are already here first discovered El's Anglin'. I need your help!
If you can remember, please post below how you first discovered or were told about the site. If possible, also post how long ago you first visited.
Eventually this will become a formal front-page poll, but I'm not yet sure what the options will be.
Hy, February 2008
It was brought to my attentions by a fellow member of a certain secretive pan-server shadow organization dedicated to the accumulation of cake.
DarvenTHO, February 2008
I remember I googled "WoW fishing guide", and this was the first hit it returns with...way to go El! With so much information, how could I not sign up. Thanks El.
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Kylkiluut, February 2008
Balgair, February 2008
Saw a link in your posts on the TBC beta forum, loved the look of the site and I've been dropping in now and again ever since. Now you have a forum I'll probably visit even more often :-)
panetar, February 2008
taisai, February 2008
well, i was searching information about some fishing details on www.wowhead.com , and someone had mentioned this site. and spoke very well of it, with a moderately high thumbs up rate.
Torgon, February 2008
I was searching for information on Fishing in WOW. I googled WOW fishing guide and El's popped up. I read about the various pools and what could be found within and planned an expedition (at level 20 something) for the coast of Stranglethorn to snag some Mithril Bound Trunks. I also read about the fishing tourney and have since won twice (both with sub 45's with below 300 skill, proving that it isn't about skill after 225).
Mathiaspohto, February 2008
Google gave link for this site.
Didnt bookmark in first visit tho, but when I went to serious about winning Stranglethorn competition, then realized the value.
Won the rod for myself in second try :-D First one ended with 35 fish :-(
Stevinn, February 2008
I was Googling for information about Mr. Pinchy and your site came up. I did catch him eventually but he didn't give me the pet. One day I'll catch him again.
quthar, February 2008
I was reading about the hook of the master angler on wowhead (or maybe it was thottbot, it was a while ago) and this web site was linked as good place to go for information about the fishing contest.
Katura, February 2008
I decided to look for a guide of where i could find fishing levels for zones etc. your site popped up. that was a long time ago.. i come here ever since. now you have forums. =D
Crotalidus, February 2008
Google search on Warcraft Fishing.
Oberweiss, February 2008
I believe I first saw it linked to from the WoW Professions Forums. This was back when TBC was still in beta, though, so I'm sure whatever post it was in has long since been pruned.
Trokair, February 2008
I think I was Googling for information on the fishing contest at the time. It was definitely Google that sent me here though.
Gihelle, March 2008
It was brought to my attention by the WoW Profession forums.
Dagem, March 2008
Actually I was going to find a webpage that could help me with fishing. So I googled "fish guide wow" and this comes up, got a fun suprice when I noted that it's Els site. Me and El are old friends, RP:ed alot with her back in the days. (I've even fished with her! *Giggle*. By the way, come say hi someday El! Regards, Dagem.
heraklen, March 2008
I think this site got mentioned on wow proffessions forum , this was a loong time ago , might even before BC was released.
This site has grown to be the best information "goldmine" for a fishy-freak like me :-)
GreatEscape13, March 2008
Was trying to raise my cooking in that hard spot between 275 and 285, found that i needed to fish. Google brought me to this guide. Have fallen in love with WoW fishing since. Thanks for the great site El.
Auntjemyma, March 2008
I just joined the site. About a month ago I got bored and wanted to grind up fishing, and I found a link to this site on WoWWiki. Now, fishing is one of my favorite activities to do in WoW; and I never realized how much money you can make from it. I plan on making most of the money for my epic mount from fishing. Golden Fish Sticks ftw. The site is great El. There are many times I've wanted to alt tab to it while fishing, but I had to wait till my lure was expired :)
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taisai, February 2008
id like to know more about the site:
When was it started, why, how the community might be able to submit input, and how much you update everything; and I'm a little interested in whether it's just you or you have other help *shrug*
regardless, a pleasure to be around
el, February 2008
When? Launched August 2006. I started writing and researching the text a few months before.
Why? Blizzard had designed a lot of hidden detail into fishing, in spite of the basic mechanics being very simple. Yet in spite of WoW being possibly the most popular complex video game ever, nobody had definitive answers to some quite simple questions, like what skill is required to fish in an area? I enjoy probing games (I had written quite a lot of FAQs previously) and deriving patterns from data, so thought WoW fishing would be a bit of a challenge.
Updates? I try and keep the site as up to date as possible. Of course Blizzard do make undocumented changes to fishing (the Terokkar Forest elevated lakes skill change being a good example), and it isn't viable to check every aspect of the game after every patch.
While I tend to lag behind the news sites with headline changes, I aim to have written up those changes in depth before a patch goes live. So you won't find mention of the upcoming daily fishing quests yet, because the patch isn't yet available for testing.
Who? It is just me!
Community input? Part of the reason for creating forums here was to test the strength of the community. I know a lot of people visit the site (currently over 70,000 each month), but had no idea whether they would want to do anything except read.
I believe one of the strengths of the site is the fact content is well written and organised. Readers don't have to wade through pages of random comments to find the important information. However, a lot of that information still comes from other players - either from emails, or posts on other forums/sites that I read. I'm a big fan of collaborative information gathering, just not wiki-style collaborative writing.
So, I'd like to throw the question of input back to you and others who are reading: Beyond forums for comments, feedback, discoveries, and general discussion, how would you like to contribute? Or indeed, would you like to contribute?
DarvenTHO, February 2008
Hey El ! I wanted to introduce myself...My name is Darven from the U.S. RP server Farstriders. I am the Guild Master of <The Highest Order> and have just stumbled upon your wonderful website. We have several anglers in our guild and I have been spreading the word about your wonderful website. Thank you for all the information you have compiled and we look forward to continually visiting your site.
I have a thought to run by you...What about coverage of the SV fishing tourney? I know this would require folks from their respective servers to "report" in, but I was thinking...at least for the Farstriders server...we at The Highest Order would love to be the "reporters" covering the tournament on behalf of El's Extreme Angling. We can update from week to week who the winner is, time it took, maybe a gear profile of the winner, etc... Let me know what you think, as well as the thoughts from the other anglers here in the forums.
Again thank you for your website and all you do! :)
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Kylkiluut, February 2008
Heh, good idea about STV Extravaganza coverage but then... do you know how many servers there are?? Yuch!
It would almost certainly have to be something automated and I can see where that could be a bit tricky.
How about just us Forum Readers who win posting here? That should provide some good insight. And also, stories about non-winners could be good as well.
DarvenTHO, February 2008
Yeah, I did take into account the number of servers, and the only thing I could logically come up with was this... If the interest is there, someone will cover it for their server. I know it's not the greatest of ideas, but it's the best I got. :)
I thought that maybe if we did some kind of coverage, then more people would possibly get interested in it and cover their particular server. Again this is just a thought, and wanted to throw it at you fellow anglers and see what was biting...HA!
I also have another idea for a server-wide fishing tournament circuit. It would be held once a month for probably 7 months. There would be a point system for the overall series, with the "Grand Champion" being crowned at the end of the series. There would be a monthly winner and also the circuit winner...so participation would be required to be crowned "Grand Champion". I am currently getting details down on paper and will let everyone know what I come up with. As of right now, I think it will be held on a different dock each month and the 7th month would be the big one to crown the champ! I think it will be done with at least one guild "sponsoring" the event(s), and those guild members would be the marshalls. Contestants would be grouped with a marshall, that way the marshall can keep track of who catches what, so no one can bring fish to the tourney and finish the required catches quicker. Like I said, still ironing out the details, but I think it could turn out really cool.
I'm just glad that there is a bit of a fishing community for WoW, seeing as how it is the one thing in the game that isn't really necessary but is a whole lot of fun. I really enjoy my fishing trips because I am the Guild Master of <The Highest Order> on U.S. Farstriders RP server, so I am constantly having to manage a guild, and it helps me to relax in-game. :)
Ok, I'm done rambling (for now). Let me know what everyone thinks...
el, February 2008
I'm starting to visualise WoWJutsu for anglers! That takes gear information from the Armory to guess at guild progression. Unfortunately the contest winnings will very rarely be equipped, so very hard to spot automatically; and virtually impossible to spot who won this week.
A better method would be a client based (that's you) data-gathering-addon-thingumi, which would simply pick out the "And the winner is..." line from the chat log. If enough anglers were running it in the background, we would get reasonably good automated data each week. But I doubt many people would run an addon, and install and use a .exe to send back the data. At least not just for something so trivial.
One idea that has been in the back of my mind for a while was to build a "data-gathering-addon-thingumi" for the Fish Finder. It wouldn't replace the existing "hand-crafted" information, but would add detail on catch rates, time variations, and so on. This is something none of the big WoW database sites do well yet. I don't know if that is because they don't understand or care; or if there are technical limitations.
Perhaps I could convince Sutorix to bundle it with Fishing Buddy?
Hy started on winning contest strategies by posting some useful information about how to win the contest in the Have you won the Stranglethorn Fishing Extravaganza? topic. Ultimately, I wouldn't worry to much about where this information is posted. If it starts to get hard to find, I'll filter it somehow.
One of my distant plans for the site was a match-up/friend system for forum members, allowing you to find fellow anglers on your own server. Clearly the number of members needs to grow a lot first. Right now (admittedly only 2 weeks after launch) there are still more servers than members.
Keep the ideas coming.
Kylkiluut, February 2008
So... we know who El's dad is. Who's da mom?
taisai, February 2008
well ah say theres no reason to think small, this sounds like ah promisin' development; however i feel there may be two other things to take into consideration. advertisement and input.
nae, im no newsie, but i think that those interested in taking up an attempt might be able to make an influence by trying the life of a newsie in game, by manipulation of the mail system to create notes.
(until they allow postboard creation, which i dont forsee.. but thats the idea of them making a item that has a text area and you can drop it like a totem once every 10 mins or hours... and others can rclick to read...never mind that though)
otherwise, do yae have some other strong ways of increasing the site attendance? do yeh think that this would be a good thing or bad for the sites popularity?
also, back to the input request, a web-based form might be a nice addition. i mean like -
type of input (new fish)(new fishing site)(new loot)(bug)(changed difficulty)(theory)(suggestion)
require sign in and a higher than base rank to suit to keep spammers low, perhaps?
ach, and there seems to be a problem with the text in the forums, it moves further beyond the left and and right sides each new post...
I'm usin' IE, 6.0.2900, its not awful but it is annoyin and something to take note of.
el, February 2008
I've (hopefully) fixed the issue of text progressively drifting to one side in Internet Explorer 6. Thanks for telling me about it.
I didn't really understand your other points. Perhaps you could explain them in more detail?
taisai, February 2008
point one, how do you want to get your name out.
we can each do little things in game but first i wonder if such publicity as i first tried to suggest would be taken correctly.
point two, a page on the website to help us input information, in the format above, is something that may prove helpful over just the forums, although this is also a dismissable plan.
Stevinn, February 2008
Hmmmm WowJutsu for fishing. I like it. Who's won the extravaganza, who's caught Mr. Pinchy, who's caught Old Ironjaw? In all of the Realms who has completed the most epic fishing events? That person could be known far and wide as the Iron Angler! LOL (Yes, I'm a huge Iron Chef fan!)
As for data gathering, I'm wondering if there is a way to log fishing information sort of like the Combat Log records fighting information? Maybe a small addon that scans fishing events and then writes it to a log file. Then they could be uploaded in a similar way to how WowWebStats does it. (http://www.wowwebstats.com)
You're right though it would be much easier for the Fishing Buddy addon to collect the data and the user could opt to send it or not. Either way I think it would have to be a manual upload or uploaded by a separate program.
I'd love to see that kind of data collected and put into nice shiny reports.
How about WowHead style tooltips for fish that reflect your data and link back to your fish database? I know that I would use something like that on my blog.
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