Cross-Faction Fishing

Guide to fishing in the opposing faction's capitals - Ironforge, Orgrimmar and Stormwind. Required for The Fishing Diplomat, Old Crafty, and Old Ironjaw achivements. On this page:

Why Fish in Hostile Territory?

Most territory belonging to the opposing faction (Horde vs Alliance) contains the same fish as friendly home territory. For example, the waters of Mulgore are similar to Elwynn Forest. However, there are a few Achievements that require anglers to venture into hostile capitals to fish:

This guide will help anglers to fish in enemy capital cities, and complete these achievements.

General Tips and Strategies

Some of the rare catches may require hours of fishing. You can retire ((log out)) in hostile cities, so you do not need to fish all day long. You will not gain a rested XP bonus. You cannot set your hearthstone or use vendors inside an enemy city, so plan to be away from home some time: Getting into a hostile city is often the hardest part. If you are fishing for a rare fish, remember that you can throw unwanted catches back in ((delete them from your bags)) to save bag space.

You will be "flagged PvP" when you enter an opposing faction's capital. This means anyone can attempt to kill you. Expect to be mercilessly slaughtered by members of the other faction. You can defend yourself against anyone that attacks you, but each defender you kill tends to alert 2 more. Unless you are travelling with a large group of raiders, it is best to avoid combat if possible.

If you die, your ghost will appear in the graveyard of the town outside the capital, not the nearest graveyard. For example, Razor Hill graveyard following an Alliance death in Orgrimmar. You will then need to run back to your corpse and resurrect as normal. Try to avoid dying under the feet of several guards!

Szarsky writes: "For those who don't want a repair bill... run naked... and watch the Horde [or Alliance] scream." But Heath notes that, "your gear might just buy you a few more seconds to find a guard-free spot before you die."

Capital cities are typically defended by maximum-level guards. These either patrol or guard places like gateways. Many have ranged attacks. In practice this means that anglers within about 5 levels of the maximum can fly into enemy cities without taking heavy damage - just make sure to avoid flying patrols. Lower level anglers are likely to be quickly killed at range.

Other members of the opposing faction are not so easy to evade. The best strategy is to enter capital cities at quiet times of day. But even at 5 o'clock in the morning, there will be people about. Elixir of Camouflage helps, since it prevents Hunters from tracking you. Hunters are the most likely to spot you with their tracking ability. Vanyalosswen writes: "Turn off any titles you may have. In an enemy player's vision, 'Bob of the Shattered Sun' makes a much larger patch of red over your head than just 'Bob'."

As discussed in detail below, you should select a fishing position that is well hidden: Behind an object and not visible from a nearby path. Sit down in shallow water, which makes you slightly harder to spot. The ability to "sleep" while fishing was removed by patch 3.3. Your fishing bobber will float above the surface, and will splash, creating a noise. So anyone very close will be able to find you.

There are many different enemy reactions to spotting you fishing:

The first 2 reactions mean you should never engage an enemy until they engage you. The most annoying reaction is the relentless attacker. Always remember that you don't have to resurrect at your corpse immediately.

Remember to use class and race-specific abilities. Some of these are obvious, like using stealth (instead of riding). Most classes have some ability that will help, such as a magic shield to be used when riding past guards, or a Soulstone that saves a corpse run.

Trinkets may also help, such as Medallion of the Alliance (removes movement impairing effects), and Darkmoon Card: Twisting Nether (chance to resurrect). Items like the Orb of Deception (which transform your appearance) or Savory Deviate Delight may help disguise you from some enemy, however guards will still attack you.


Map of Ironforge for Horde
Map of Ironforge for Horde

Should I be describing how to infiltrate my adopted home of Ironforge? Promise that you have only come to fish! The dwarves defend Ironforge well. Ironforge used to be a hard city for Horde to get into. Since the Cataclysm few members of the Alliance visit Ironforge, so Horde anglers will normally just need to avoid the guards.

High-level horde should fly direct to the Gates of Ironforge (in Dun Morogh). Enter Ironforge. Go left at the main entrance, turn the corner, and keep left. The area you just flew into is The Commons. Up ahead is the Mystic Ward. Keep moving into the Forlorn Cavern - through the narrow entrance on the north-east side of the Mystic Ward. On the southern side of the Forlorn Cavern is a large pool. You will be fishing here.

Mid-level anglers (with flight) have the best chance of reaching the Forlorn Cavern by entering the Deeprun Tram at Stormwind City's Dwarven District. The Deeprun Tram is a marvel of Gnomish technology that speeds you from Stormwind to Ironforge. There are no guards in the tram - a minor oversight by Gnomish engineers. When you arrive in Ironforge, exit the tram, fly into Tinker Town, turn right, then north and west, through the Hall of Explorers, to the Forlorn Cavern. There are fewer guards to pass, although death is still possible.

Try and get right into the back of the cave in the Forlorn Cavern. Deal with whoever is chasing you... or die. Once inside the Forlorn Cavern you should be able to fish: Few Alliance come here, and most of them are low-level (for training). The cave is dark, and if you keep a low profile (sit down), most of those that do come will not see you.

Spleen writes: "If you're unlucky enough to be [corpse] camped, go around into the Great Forge as a ghost and resurrect inside one of the buildings. Your corpse will disappear from where it was on the other side of the wall, and the alliance will have no idea where you are."

Before patch 3.1 it was possible to fish in the Mystic Ward and Great Forge. Fish can now only be caught in the Forlorn Cavern.


Horde only need one catch in Stormwind to complete The Fishing Diplomat. There are no rare fish to catch. There may be no need to enter the city of Stormwind at all, since the achievement can be completed by fishing from Stormwind Harbor.

Fly to Grom Gol Base Camp in Northern Stranglethorn, then fly/ride/swim north up the coast to Westfall. If riding, the coastline will avoid most Alliance in the area. At the northern border of Westfall fly or swim north-west along the base of the cliffs until you see one of the piers of Stormwind Harbor. There are a few places at the base of the cliff where you can stand and fish. Alternatively, keep moving north until you reach the lighthouse island, and fish there. Tithegha notes that you can use a water walking ability (or Elixir of Water Walking) to stand in the sea and fish.


Map of Orgrimmar (Cataclysm)
Map of Orgrimmar (Cataclysm)

Orgrimmar is easier to enter than Ironforge, and has more places to fish. However, Orgrimmar is much harder to fish in because it is the main hub of activity for the Horde.

At high level, simply fly to Orgrimmar. At lower level, Alliance should fly to Ratchet in Northern Barrens, then ride north along the west side of the Southfury River (which runs along the border with Durotar). Enter Orgrimmar via its west gate, which tends to be safer than the main southern gate. Alternatively fly to Forest Song in Ashenvale, and use the Northern (Azshara) gate to enter Orgrimmar.

You have 3 main fishing options:

  1. The Valley of Spirits, closest to the west gate. The Valley of Spirits is easy to get to, especially as fishable water can be found very close to the gate. There are few reasons for Horde (player) enemy to visit the area, but there are a lot of Horde refugees. Those refugees can make it hard to find a fishing location that does not place you in combat.
  2. The Valley of Honor, closest to the north gate. The Valley of Honor has more space to fish. However, there will be more Horde (player) enemy visiting. For those with flight, the water above the waterfall may be the best option, although parts are close to the portals the Horde use to visit various Cataclysm zones.
  3. The Valley of Wisdom, in the middle. The Valley of Wisdom (outside Thrall's old throne-room) may be hard to reach (especially without flight), and it can be hard to evade nearby guards.

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Completing achievements? These guides will help complete individual Achievements:

Comments about Cross-Faction Fishing

Below are readers' comments about "Cross-Faction Fishing":

Old Ironjaw, The Fishing Diplomat, and the Horde

  • donquixote235, October 2008

    Yesterday I found myself near Elwynn Forest, so I thought it would be a good time to pick up the Stormwind half of the Fishing Diplomat achievement.

    I've found that ever since they changed the entry guards to be lvl 75 rather than 65, sneaking in through the front door is a no-no; even with +stealth trinkets working overtime, they see right through it. My Vanish only has about a 50% chance of getting them off my back. Instead I've discovered that the best way to get into Stormwind is to come the back way through the new harbor around back. You can swim there from the Westfall/Elwynn border, and the guards are all lvl 65. Keep in mind that fishing from Stormwind Harbor does NOT count toward your Fishing Diplomat achievement; you have to apparently fish from inside the city walls for the achievement to take.

    I was able to stealth to the canals without much problem and grab my single catch. Since I was already in SW and the Deeprun Tram was not that far from me, I figured I'd take my chances at Old Ironjaw.

    Stealthing to the tram was not a problem; I think there was a single guard I had to avoid on the way. Once I got into the tram I opted to run the rails rather than take the tram, as I was still flagged and I didn't want to draw unnecessary attention to myself.

    I came out at Ironforge in Tinkertown, which is very close to the Forelorn Cavern. This was indeed much better than coming through the front door! This way I'd have to deal with at most 5 lvl 75 guards rather than the score or so that I'd have to deal with from the front entry. However 5 guards was about 5 more than I wanted to deal with!

    I mounted up and started to make a mad dash toward the cavern. Sure enough, the first pair of guards aggroed me. I then rode straight into the middle of the second pair, and picked up their aggro as well. I was almost to the cavern when they dismounted me, so I dropped a Vanish and prayed. I got the message "Leaving Combat" and breathed a sigh of relief.

    About one second later I encountered the fifth guard, whom I had not counted on. This guard pats the wall directly across from the cavern entrance. If I'd stuck to the south wall there's a very good chance I could have avoided him. I knew I was going to die but I figured I'd at least do it in a good position. So I ran for the water and managed to swim about halfway across the pool before I got killed.

    After that, it was easy. I did the necessary corpse-run, edged myself against the south wall, did a /sleep command to bring a low profile, and started fishing.

    At first I had the place entirely to myself. After a couple of minutes a Human Paladin showed up and I started to get worried; I really didn't want to fight anybody, I just wanted a nice pacifist fishing trip. After a few seconds he waved at me and proceeded to fish by my side. Awesome.

    Every couple of minutes another Alliance character would ride by the pool. Most didn't even see me, but some would stop and look at me for a few seconds and then ride on. I only had one character try to pick on me, a Draenei Shaman. My solution to this was to Vanish and then move to another spot. He tried to locate me again but with no luck, and eventually went away. I then unstealthed and proceeded to start fishing again, and the two people who'd showed up there to fish cheered as I reappeared. What a great thing: cameradery between the factions, and all because of fishing!

    Finally (after about 150-200 throws) I got my prize - Old Ironjaw. The two other fishermen cheered me again, I took a bow, and I hearthed the heck out of there.

    In a nutshell, it's very possible and not that hard, as long as you come in through the back door at Stormwind and take the Deeprun Tram. Most people will ignore you (at least they did me) as long as you stick to fishing and don't try to fight anybody. If you are attacked it may even be best to take the blows and not fight back so that when you return the people who witnessed the battle know that you're not interested in fighting, just fishing.

  • Nosajje, October 2008

    SW Harbor is definitely the way to go when it comes to getting into SW and IF. My wife and I swam through westfall up into the harbor, got our catch for Fishing Diplomat, then ran into stockades to get Bazil kill achievement, then ran out and around through the park/dwarven district etc into town and took tram to IF. The whole time we never saw a single alliance.

  • Thander, October 2008

    I think your mileage may vary quite bit with this one. Running through stormwind to get to the tram without stealth might take awhile especially on a busy server. Then, the allis in Ironforge might not be so nice. Last, you may get unlucky catching Ironjaw and have to do >1000 catches. (increases your chances to get ganked greatly).

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  • Kattora, October 2008

    Well I'm glad your time fishing wasn't horrific. But unfortunately, on Malygos, the Alliance forbid me to fish in their little pond. I've tried everything. Funky outfits, not fighting, emoting (/beg, /cower, /hug etc)...they always kill me, over and over. I even went as far as to log onto an alliance character I use for their AH and asked them nicely to let me fish... and I'd get a 'rofl' or a 'lol' and that's about it.
    I don't know how I'm gonna get that fish, I'm a shaman, I have to suicide my way there. I die at least 2-3 times from guards before I get to my spot just to die from Alliance. >_<
    Sleeping doesn't work, they can easily see you aren't dead. The giant red name above your body is what gives you away. If I could get my name into the wall and then /sleep, I'd be safe... but I can't. Why can't Blizzard place some rocks back there or something? >_< Alliance have several places to hide in Orgrimmar. I've seen them, and each time I do /greet and /cheer and leave them alone.

    Ironjaw seems so impossible to get. :(
    I've got Old Crafty but obviously that is much easier to do as Horde.

  • Jagent, October 2008

    Started fishing tonight around 2:30am, just caught Old Ironjaw at about 3:50am

    Roughly 325 fish caught before him

  • Griezz, October 2008

    Actually, I earned the Stormwind ambassadorial acheivement... well, not easily, but in a different manner.

    After crossing into Elwynn, I snuck through the countryside until I approached Stormwind's gates. Finally, I ran through the gates as quickly as possible. Trying hard to ignore the aggro'd guards (although I did die once), I immediately moved down the ramp to the right.

    That's right. I did not go along the bridge into Stormwind proper. I made it into the city's moat.

    Now here's the thing: if you CAREFULLY search the moat, hugging the city-side edge of the moat as much as possible, you WILL find a very small part of the moat's wall where you can stand and the text above the minimap actually says "Stormwind". Once you find this sweet spot, it's just a matter of pulling in a single fish, and you've got the acheivement (or this portion of it, anyways).

  • Chalmette, October 2008

    I did the Stormwind portion of fishing diplomat simply by swimming up towards the harbor from Westfall for a bit until the map said I had zoned in to Stormwind, and then I found a little hill along the cliffs and fished. Got the achievement as easy as that.

  • Whisper, October 2008

    Thanks for the tips, I'm trying this tonight

  • el, October 2008

    I investigated this (on the beta server, because "live" Stormwind is plagued with zombies), and I'm inclined to agree it is easier to enter via the Harbor, since there are far fewer guards, and they are lower level. I've updated the guide with this and some other suggestions. Keep the strategies coming!

    It is possible that the Stormwind catch criteria has changed. When I checked it last week (again on beta realms) fishing immediately to the south of the southern-most pier in the Harbor, triggered the achievement.

  • Upstate, October 2008

    While the zombies are attacking Shattrath you can become a zombie and use the portal to get to opposing faction city. In both Orgrimmar and Ironforge it takes you right to the fishing area.

  • will, October 2008

    I wanted to post for you horde members out there.

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    You will have to scroll down a bit to find the picture and info. Keep in mind that you will still get ganked but at a much lesser rate.

    Essentially you will be fishing on an invisible ledge in the lava. Finding the ledge initially is a pain but well worth it. I was able to fish for over an hour before my first visitor, who did not kill me.

    For a total of about three hours I fished there getting killed twice. The funny thing is the cost of one honorable kill is equal to a 3-4 gold repair bill. The two attackers that I did have also died in the lava.

    Hopefully this will help some of you get your achievement.

  • Thander, October 2008

    will wrote:

    The funny thing is the cost of one honorable kill is equal to a 3-4 gold repair bill.

    You shouldn't be losing durability from PvP deaths. Are you saying you fell in the lava or guards killed you?

  • el, October 2008

    I presume the repair bills are for those that attempt to attack you, but fall into the lava doing so.

    To be honest, I thought the fish had been removed from the lava. Not to mention that it shouldn't be possible to jump down to the lava, or stand on an invisible ledge once you get there. Anyone know if it is possible to fish in "Old Ironforge" too?

  • donquixote235, October 2008

    el wrote:

    It is possible that the Stormwind catch criteria has changed. When I checked it last week (again on beta realms) fishing immediately to the south of the southern-most pier in the Harbor, triggered the achievement.

    I tried fishing from that slope just south of the southern dock with no success about ten days ago, but it's possible that even though I was technically in Stormwind my cast was not. Since there are two posts on here that refute my experience, I'd have to lean toward those experiences.

  • Illuthas, October 2008

    I just caught my Old Ironjaw too,though i did the diplomat achievement long before it since i was gonna do MGT,anyway i tried it yesterday and then on my way there i found 2 other ppl heading to IF too to fish him up,we teamed up and through the main gate we got there,badly was that there were 10 allies there fishing,and there were always a few killing us.
    Then i spotted some ghost hordes wanting to fish there too,sadly my group gave up to try later but i teamed up with the guys that were dead there.
    Normally there were 4 ppl in that group,1 that wanted to fish but wasnt there yet,1 that was already fishing there and then 2 that were helping him.
    They kept on killing us so one that was helping logged on his ally,a lvl11 warlock.After a long conversasion we couldnt understand the one that was already fishing there left.30 sec later the helper came back so they started helping me,it seems the talk worked since they didnt attack me anymore so i could just fish and 100th catch i caught Old Ironjaw (saw it with FB).
    To all ppl that get attacked while trying there,make an ally and try to reason them.

  • Micha, October 2008

    I made my life a lot easier by grabbing Old Ironjaw pre-3.0, but it's still very possible now. There are a few things to note as general rules.

    First of all, if you're a hunter who PvP's regularly, you know how obvious an enemy player in your city is. People who PvP a lot are trained to spot that red dot on their minimap, even when they're not looking directly at it, and this will give you away more than anything else. That's why you need to keep Aspect of the Beast up if you're a hunter. Luckily, if you're not a hunter, there is something else you can get to counter tracking. Camouflage Potions. Pop one of these babies, and you can't be tracked. I strongly recommend getting a stack of these items before you make your attempt.

    Lastly, there is a gap between you respawning and you showing up on track, meaning that if you respawn and immediately hit beast or quaff a potion, hunters will never see you reappear. If they're stupid, they'll figure you spirit healed. If they're smart, they will hit /target yourname and realize you're still around, but they still won't know exactly where you are (though they might then send their pet and follow it). Most hunters are stupid, though.

    If you don't spend a lot of time in enemy cities, here is another tip. It's not only guards you have to watch for. It's quest NPC's too. If you get spotted by some of them, they will drop you right into combat, and they will instantly spawn guards that will aggro onto you. Others will aggro nearby guards. So your objective is to avoid both if possible.

    Lastly, here's one for rogues. If you spend a lot of time in enemy cities, you are aware that every city has one or more "rogue killer" guards. Prior to Wrath, these guys remained at 60, so they weren't a huge danger. With Wrath, Blizzard decided to bump them _way_ up. These guys will spot you from a mile away, even with max Master of Deception, and they will cut you to pieces rather quickly. You should stay the Hell away from them. The one in Ironforge won't be a problem because he wanders the front. The one in Stormwind can be a major downer if you're trying to stealth to the tram. With Wrath, there also seems to be a new behavior where they're instantly spawned if an immobile guards spots you while stealthed.

    I'm also going to add a few city-specific tips.

    First of all, fishing in Org:

    I'm Horde, but I've asked myself how Alliance could do this most easily. There is water in the Valley of Honor, but I'm not sure how well you could hide there. It's a high-traffic area, and worse yet, the traffic is because this is where the battlemasters are, so you can count on the people here killing you if they find you.

    A better option is hiding behind the buildings with the mage trainers. That's the Valley of Spirits on your Org map, if you're wondering. It's close to the back entrance, luckily. In fact, there is a particular rock you can hide behind which should conceal your name as well. I'll have to check when I get there again. I really must emphasize the use of camouflage potions if you use this method. For those of you who have never played Horde, fishing in this location puts you about twenty feet from the Horde port-in location (the location Horde spawn in if they teleport or use a portal to Org, including the Shat portal). While they will have next to no chance of spotting you visually, a hunter will immediately see you without some method of tracking negation.

    Fishing in Stormwind:

    Well, you only need one cast here, so this is super easy. You have two methods. First off, you can be in Stormwind without being in Stormwind, like was mentioned earlier. There's a patch to the southwest of the main wall leading into the city. I'd recommend this if you're not planning to then proceed to Ironforge.

    If you are heading to IF, there's another method which makes me really surprised that people ran through the main gates. You can actually get right into Stormwind without using the tram and without people or guards noticing you, even if there's a pack dueling outside (happens often). As you approach Stormwind, with Aspect of the Beast or a camouflage potion on, hug the mountains to the east of the wall. Keep right against them. Staying mounted, run into the little cleft of terrain between the east side of the wall and the mountain next to it. Start jumping while mounted, trying to run forward at the same time. If you do it right, you can jump your way _onto_ the wall, and you can stay mounted up there. While still mounted, you can do a running jump right into the water below. This will avoid all guard aggro and most players too.

    Once you're in the moat, swim to the far NE of it. There is a patch of land you can get up onto here. Most players will not see you here, and you can quickly get your cast. Now, heading to IF. You might be tempted to head straight south, but _do not_ do this. There is a NPC just south of the eastern side of the moat who will aggro a guard onto you instantly. Instead, you must swim under the bridge to the west side of the moat, careful to avoid the squid shaman NPC standing on a little island there. There is a single patrolling guard that comes down to the land on the west side of the moat, but you simply wait for them to pass, then get up on land and mount.

    There are already plenty of tips available on how to fish in IF, so I don't really have much new to add here. I'll talk about respawn locations if you die, though.

    If you are a class who can either stealth or successfully aggro drop against lvl 75 guards (either a rogue, druid, or arcane mage, since these guys will resist feign 95% of the time), try to keep on the side of the pool closest to the rogue trainer room. You will actually be able to spawn in there if you die, then. If you spawn right on the stairwell inside that building, between the top and bottom floor in the far corner, you will not be spotted by the NPC's. While these guys won't spawn guards onto you, they will put you into combat if they spot you, preventing you from drinking or stealthing.

    When you leave that building, you will probably aggro one guard on your way to the water if you don't stealth. This is where the aggro drop comes in.

    A second option, if you're close to the far wall of the cavern, is that you can spawn inside the buildings opposite the far wall of the cavern (in the interior ring of IF). This is not recommended without an aggro drop, as you will aggro at least two guards (much more if you haven't learned how to avoid most of them) on your way back, and you can't really even stealth past those with them at lvl 75.

  • Marlburo, October 2008

    As for fishing diplomat, right before the SW gates, I just fished in the "mote" just to the left of entrance. I beleive the Shamen trainer was directly north of me, was really easy. As for Old Ironjaw, the SW-Tram-Pond in North IF is definitley the way to go. I don't mind dying, because you always get a little closer everytime you die. That being said, I have yet to try and get him during non-peak hours so I havent been able to fish there long without being killed. HOWEVA a tip i found on another toon that works well is to go to the VERY back of the pond, and SIT and fish. You will be completely underwater and thus a little harder to see, but as always luck is a factor.

  • Sauce, October 2008

    As an Alliance person, I could offer a little more input into fishing in OG. I decided to fish up Old Crafty awhile ago before the patch, which was a good idea in hindsight given the fact that the guards got buffed tremendously. When you want to fish for long periods of time without interruption, I suggest the Valley of Honor, as there is a waterfall back there along with a nice rock to hide behind while casting your lure. The entire time that I was in OG (about 3 hours), I was never killed, not one time; I guess I got lucky because no one saw me go back there.

    Post patch, I snuck through the back entrance to the city and hid behind one of the buildings in the valley of spirits. It was a much more difficult task and I was camped for about an hour, but I only needed one fish so it was cool.

  • Nivmizzet, November 2008

    At the moment in my server, Lightbringer, it seems tension built up between the two factions and either lets anyone fish on their territory. I'll just wait it out till things cool down :P

  • Picholine, November 2008

    el wrote:

    To be honest, I thought the fish had been removed from the lava. Not to mention that it shouldn't be possible to jump down to the lava, or stand on an invisible ledge once you get there. Anyone know if it is possible to fish in "Old Ironforge" too?

    I finished 1000 Fish today in IF, and a couple hundred were in the lava in the center of IF. Out of sheer boredom, I tried multiple fishing spots in IF, and got the idea Old IF might be the key to OLD Ironjaw! Alas, when my other mage buddy turned up to sheep me in, we discovered that the previously overlooked "Dun Morogh" dueling spots (by bank and Military Ward) had been removed, we assume with patch 3.0.2. Major, major bummer. So yes - fish in lava. But no, I don't know any other way to get in Old IF.

    Also, first post on this site and i gotta say: i feel like i've come home. you're my people!

    EDIT: Any Horde anglers on Silvermoon that can make it past the angry kids to IF - let me know - I'll be glad to try to sheep you into Old IF.

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The Wrathgate and fishing in Orgrimmar.

  • Kahless, November 2008

    I saw a hint about this mentioned somewhere but I thought I'd start a thread on it here.

    So I finished the Wrathgate quest line in Dragonblight today and I'm doing the followup quest "Fate, Up Against Your Will"
    This quest sends you to Orgrimmar on a diplomatic mission to speak with Warchief Thrall.

    At first I though I was instanced since there are Guards but they don't attack and there are no other NPCs or players.
    Turns out it's the real Orgrimmar, just "filtered" using some new mechanic that Blizz has added to the game.
    Other players can't see you and you can't see them unless they are on the same quest.
    NPCs that you can see are altered by the quest.

    The upside is you can fish in Orgrammar as long as you like without guards or players attacking you.
    I will not turn in this quest until I have caught Old Crafty.
    With a little luck I may catch the really big catfish while I'm at it.

  • el, November 2008

    I cast a line during that quest too, and I agree, fish can be caught. Same during the Battle of the Undercity (although there is no reason to). If you do manage to catch Old Crafty, please post a confirmation.

  • Kahless, November 2008

    I was worried at first that I might not be able to catch old crafty in this way but my fear was removed when I realized it was the real Org and not an instanced copy.

    I will confirm WHEN I catch him. I fully expect to.
    So far the loot table looks exactly the same.

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  • Marlene, November 2008

    Once I start the wrathgate quest... I think I am going to pick up the crocalisk in the city quest or try to and then go to Orgrimmar and see if I can get both. :D

    I would like to get something to display in my header here at el's Anglin'! And I have been fishing since day one. I just always fished from nods to get the fish and treasure.


    Oh well. Got to start somewhere.


  • Kahless, November 2008

    I finally caught him today while in Org under the quest.
    Easy Fishin', No Ganking. Takes some of the fun out of it but certainly makes it alot easier.

    Probably something to add to your cross faction fishing FAQ.

    I left Org last night and did my dailies this morning, then I was able to return to Org by porting back from Stormwind. Just talk to Jaina Proudmoore in SW Keep and she'll port you back.

  • pinktoque, November 2008

    ahhh so this is the quest BattleMoose was talking about in the other thread about Old Crafty. Dang, I'm Horde, so this quest won't help me catch Old Ironjaw in Ironforge :(

    There wouldn't happen to be an equivalent for Horde that will let them go to IF unflagged? *wishful thinking*

  • Kahless, November 2008

    Edit: I found the details on the Horde followup quests to the Wrathgate line.
    No free trip to IF for them.

  • Faela, November 2008

    I also caught Old Crafty in the 'filtered' Orgrimmar of the Wrathgate chain yesterday.

  • Yavanna, November 2008

    Confirmed. I caught him today - took 959 casts. I also confirmed with a GM if this was possible and legal.

  • Stalyn, November 2010

    The Forlorn Cavern on my server has at least 1 80 coming in every minute, I can't fish in there to save my life. Please insert other strategies to fish Old Ironjaw!

  • el, November 2010

    Try at 04:00...? Ultimately there is only one place to catch Old Ironjaw - you cannot avoid The Forlorn Caverns.

    This may be temporary, due to the sudden rush of people needing to visit trainers following patch 4.0.1. However, as cataclysm causes activity to move from Northrend to Old Azeroth, places like Ironforge will become busier.

    (Oh, and this topic was originally about Old Crafty - the Wrathgate quests won't help much with Old Ironjaw.)

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Easiest way for Horde to get Old IronJaw undesturbed

  • Gandonar, November 2008

    Having tried for Old Ironjaw a few times in Forlorn Cavern, but being ganked constantly,
    I remembered that Old Ironjaw can be fished in the lava too.

    So I rode in into the great forge, and dropped down into the lava, knowing i would die.
    However there is a hidden ledge between the wall and the rotating wheel, which is easy to find as a ghost. (from memory the coords are (50.4, 47.9 or 50.4, 49.7)
    basically when you swim underneath the wheel, you get stuck. thats how you know your at the ledge. now simply jump up on is as ghost, and come back to live.

    You need to set your camera distance to max. Look at your toon, directly from above, and then tilt you camera, so that the wheel is on you left side, and you can only see lava in your buttom right corner. that way you can just see you lure.

    Allies has to be lucky to see you, or know your there. but more importantly the 2 housr i spend there i got spotted twice, and both times the ally died trying to kill me, as they fell in the lava.

    I will try to add some screen shots, to this post

    Happy Fishing

  • BattleMoose, November 2008

    I tried off and on for Old Iron jaw and finally sat down and fished for him one night for about an hour and nailed him. Very happy camper.

    Side note: With the release of LK its going to be a pain in the ass to get into Orgimar to fish for Old Crafty now but, with the quest thats available that makes you non PVP in Orgimar, i'll wait till that point, get the baby crockolisk quest and the other and camp out there till i get him.

    Good fishing!

  • pinktoque, November 2008

    BattleMoose wrote:

    I tried off and on for Old Iron jaw and finally sat down and fished for him one night for about an hour and nailed him. Very happy camper.
    Side note: With the release of LK its going to be a pain in the ass to get into Orgimar to fish for Old Crafty now but, with the quest thats available that makes you non PVP in Orgimar, i'll wait till that point, get the baby crockolisk quest and the other and camp out there till i get him.
    Good fishing!

    The lava trick does sound interesting and worth a try, Gandonar. Thanks for the info!

    BattleMoose (besides loving your name), can you tell me some more specifics about the quest that's available that will make you non-PvP in Orgrimmar? Are you Horde or Alliance? I know as a Horde when I'm in Org after 5 mins my PvP flag wears off (even though I am on a PvP server.)

    Did you mean Ironforge? Is there some way as a Horde that I can get into IF via quest where I won't be flagged PvP? This doesn't sound right so I'm assuming I don't quite understand what you mean :)

    I do my crocolisk quest for Org as often as possible -- I must have a baby croc!

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  • Tezuix, November 2008

    setting your camera view to max is a bad idea... it is MUCH easier to go into first person (zoomed right in) so you can see the lava directly in front of you =) much easier

    Happy fishing

  • Pespi, November 2008

    I can confirm that this works a treat ^_^ Just make sure you can "reach" your body to ressurect otherwise it's a long run back from your home point.

  • BattleMoose, November 2008

    The quest is an alliance quest at level 74 in the Dragonblight zone of Northrend. It will eventually send you to Orgimmar on a diplomatic mission. The quest giver opens a portal to orgimmar for you. when you get there there are no players, just guards and they don't come after you. You are supposed to complete the quest and take the portal back. Just don't. every time you go to orgimmar it will be like you are trying to finish the quest. You can leave and come back though normal means just don't use the portal, fish till you get Old Crafty, then use the portal. If this is combined with the crockolisk glitch it should be super easy. Wowhead is down right now or i would tell you the name of the quest, I found it by searching there quest lines for that zone and level 74.

    Hope this helps!

  • BattleMoose, November 2008

    Name of quest is: Fate, up against your will.

  • pinktoque, November 2008

    Ugh, thank you for the info tho, BattleMoose! Unfortunately since I'm Horde this won't help :( I've already caught Old Crafty and now I'm trying to work on Ironjaw. I was hoping there was an equivalent quest for Horde that would send them into Ironforge on a diplomatic mission so that I could use the opportunity to fish for Ironjaw while there. Oh well! Thanks for the info, though!

  • Blaquelight, November 2008

    First time poster, long time reader :)

    104 Raw Longjaw Mudsnapper
    29 Raw Brilliant Smallfish
    28 Raw Bristlewhisker Catfish
    1 17# Catfish
    1 Old Ironjaw


    Now if I can just win the darn Fishing Competition...

    Thanks to everyone for the great info about the invisible ledge in IF.

  • delphinus87, March 2009

    Just thought I should clear this post up a little, I found it a little hard to understand. What you do as Horde is run into Ironforge then into the Great Forge. You must jump into the NORTH-WEST lava pool, not the South-East (Map Link)(maybe I'm just noob, but I spent half an hour looking in the the SE one). You then swim to the large wheel, hugging the wall. When you enter the gap between the wheel and wall, start jumping. Keep walking forward until you stop taking damage, then you can start fishing. Just a side note, make sure you take off all titles when you start fishing. This just makes your red name less noticeable.

    If you face straight toward the lava, your lure tends to fall behind the wheel, causing you to turn your camera to try to spot it. There is a way to reduce these events. It's sorta confusing, but I'll try my best.
    If you look to the wall, you will see a pillar-looking drawing on it. Position yourself slightly behind this, then turn yourself slightly toward it (I'm a shadow priest, so this part's easy). The best angle to be is looking very slightly to the left of this pillar. If you do it right, all your casts will land in a place you can easily right click, you will, however, have to click cast a few times, as "Target is not in Line of Sight" will prevent you from casting. This is the best way I can describe it, sorry.

    337 Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper
    125 Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish
    116 Raw Brilliant Smallfish
    1 19 Pound Catfish
    1 17 Pound Catfish
    2 Lesser Healing Potion
    1 Lesser Mana Potion
    66 Fishing Levels Gained
    7 Hours
    10 Achievement Points

    Yes, It was worth it :)

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  • Babyface, November 2010

    I went to SW yesterday to do the Fishing Diplomat achievment. Even that I'm a rogue the guards killed me 2-3 times, because they are 85lvl and can see me pretty easy in stealth. My questions:
    1) How to catch Old Ironjaw in Ironforge now? SW is easy, because the fishable water is just behind the gates, but the water in IF is far deep inside.
    2) Anyone checked STV for the Tastyfish pools? I'm still not and I wanna try the Extravaganza contest this weekend.
    PS. "Old Man Barlowned" is pain now without portals :( atleast thanks to my Dimensional Ripper - Area 52 and that now I need only one of these quests(I caught the magical crawdad and 2 crocolisks).

  • RoshiSama, January 2011

    Yyestarday, looking for a way to do the "Elders of the Aliance" achievement, I found a "solution" on how to enter Ironforge.
    You need to be at least lvl 60, and be able to fligth in Azeroth, that way you can just fligth between the guard on the entrace of Ironforge. And if you keep at the ceeling, the flying guards won't notice you.
    Then one you get to the Mystic Ward, get as high as you can, and look at the guards. I noticed that there are 2 groups of flying guards that patrol there, one that enter from the Commons area, go around the Mystic Ward, an into the Commons again. The other comes from the Great forge, and do the same as the other.
    Just time them and go for the cave leading to Forlong Cavern, and hope that nobody is there waiting.
    I got into the Mystic Ward in less than a minute with my 280% flying mount, and got hit only 3 time by the entrace guards before they lose interent...

  • phaze, February 2011

    With the release of Cataclysm, fishing in Orgrimmar has changed a lot for Alliance. There are now more high level guards than before and the area near the western entrance is now too shallow to fish in the less crowded areas.

    It's been mentioned that fishing from behind the waterfall in the Valley of Honor is possibly the best spot but with the advent of flying, there is a small section of river above the waterfall that is completely unguarded and free from Horde patrols and Horde toons have no reason to go there.

    I utilised it for gaining "The Fishing Diplomat" achievment and will now use it for "Old Crafty".

  • Grayseven, July 2011

    There is another option for Ogrimmar.

    The side gate that leads to the Valley of Spirits has even less traffic than the Valley of Honor.

    Right inside the gate to the right is a ledge that overlooks a small stream. While you are exposed to anyone coming at you, you are in a corner made by two huge walls.

    There are only a few patrols that go by, typically one Elite and a couple of the representatives of the weekend battleground, and only a single flying patrol of one individual that doesn't fly low enough to aggro you.

    About the only issue is that the blimp flight path goes right over your head. A hunter or someone using a Spy type add on will be alerted to you if they are paying attention.

    The Valley of Honor had way too many people passing through for my taste, and the base of the waterfall that falls from Azshara was just too close to the hunter trainers for comfort (I barely escaped with my life more than once).

    This last fishing achievement has been vexing me for a couple of years now and I have made it a goal to fish at least an hour each night after work until Ol' Crafty is caught.

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