This page summarises how to catch Old Crafty. For a more detailed guide, see Cross-Faction Fishing.
About Old Crafty
- "Said to be the craftiest fish in Orgrimmar, it appears he was outsmarted at last." Binds when caught.
- Use: Equip: Held in off-hand. Gives +5 Stamina bonus.
- Value: Vendor: 25s
Catching Old Crafty
Detailed mapping of hard to find areas is shown below.
Commentary: Rare catch from either area of open water in Orgrimmar. Estimated at less than 1 in 1000 of catches. Binds to the angler when caught, so cannot be traded. It is possible to catch and equip this as low as level 5.
Detailed Guide: Cross-Faction Fishing - Guide to fishing in the opposing faction's capitals - Ironforge, Orgrimmar and Stormwind.
Related Achievement: Old Crafty: Catch Old Crafty. For strategies, read the guide to Cross-Faction Fishing.
History: 2.3: Old Crafty first caught.
| Water | No-junk skill | Areas | Catch Rate * | Commonly caught fish | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| % of Catch | Source | |||||
| Open Water - Inland | 75 | Infrequent catch. | ||||
- [*] % of Catch is the approximate proportion of all catches in this area/water, that are the named fish.
Detailed Mapping
Other Tomes
Learn More
- Getting Started - Contains information for the beginner. If you've never picked up a fishing pole in your life, or have only just started fishing, this chapter is for you.
- Valuable Fish - Details the most valuable fish, and how to catch them.
- Fishing Achievements - Introduction to fishing-related personal achievements.
- Cross-Faction Fishing - Guide to fishing in the opposing faction's capitals - Ironforge, Orgrimmar and Stormwind.
- 2.3 Changes - Patch 2.3's changes to fishing, including the pool Tracking Journal.
Below are anglers' comments about Old Crafty.
Old Crafty!!
Seine, September 2008:
GOT OLD CRAFTY!!!! GIMME A COOKIE CAUSE NOW I GOTTA FARM Mr.Pinchy.....
LinkyKeram, September 2008:
Grats! This old buggar was a PAIN to catch! As im Alliance [Gnome] and the horde simply wouldnt leave a peacefull fisherman alone! But after lots of trows [And corpse runs] i FINALY got him ! ! !
Deathxtreme, September 2008:
Question for you -
As an alliance character, where did you try to fish for Old Crafty ? What's the best place to (try) to fish discretely in the horde capital ? I've been thinking of doing that on my character, but the thought of getting only one cast in before dying from merciless guards isn't exactly... inspiring. If I was a horde character, I know I'd get a bunch of water walking pots and fish in the back of the forlorn cavern, but that's just a thought - not sure if it'd work or not.
Oberweiss, September 2008:
There are some tips for cross-faction Ironforge/Orgrimmar fishing in this thread: http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-in-42-min
Hope this helps. :)
LinkyKeram, September 2008:
What i simply did was to hide in the waterfall yust "Behind" the fishing trainers in Orgrimmar. I got killed some times by this rogue and hunter, but at last they decided to fish WHIT me rather then using me as bait :P
Amnon, September 2008:
I'm over 2000 catches over the last couple days and no luck on Old Crafty. I'm starting to lose my resolve...
Amnon, September 2008:
Just caught him! Was probably approaching 3k catches, but I don't have a mod so I can't be sure. On to Ironjaw...
Periwinkle93084, September 2008:
Caught him after a little bit. Server was up early so I hopped on and got Old crafty on my second cast after fishing for a while yesterday.
Total Fish:
Old Crafty!
199 - Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper
83 - Raw Bristle Water Catfish
54 - Raw Brilliant Smallfish
4 - 17 Pound Catfish
1 - Lesser Mana PotionZahana, September 2008:
400+ catches, ganked 3.7 times, 0 Old Crafty :(
LinkyKeram, September 2008:
This is what i caught before Old Crafty:
Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper : 152
Raw Brilliant Smallfish : 37
Raw bristle Whisker Catfish : 62
17 Pound Catfish : 1
The 1 Ring : 1Old Crafty : 1
Capo, September 2008:
I'm currently sitting in Org trying to catch this thing, doing good so far not having encounters with the horde, I positioned myself behind a rock to the left of the waterfall and i'm sitting. Only people that have seen me so far seem to be two hunters, I'm guessing with humanoid tracker. One waved, one aimed shot. Logged for about 5 and hopped back on and started again. Haven't been completely keeping up with numbers but I'd say I'm getting close to 300 catches.
Maybella, September 2008:
:D I am so excited to have caught him just this evening, after a long weekend and some long late nights of fishing.
Find this site about a week ago and reading about the achievements encouraged me to go for it!!!!
I believe my fish count was somewhere between 1k-2k when I finally caught him.. it was definitely over 1k. I didn't count exactly since I had to empty out my inventory a few times and I did the fishing in several sittings.
I was so excited to have finally pulled him up from the depths, and I'll be relieved to not have to return to Orgrimmar any time soon. Some hordies were very nice and stayed and fished with me for a while, which was beyond cool, but others enjoyed killing me time and time again. :/
I was wondering though- which is more rare between Old Crafty/Old Ironjaw and the 1 ring. I levelled my fishing 300-375 in Stormwind hoping for the 1 ring, and now I've also done this stint in Org. Hopefully I get it while I work on Ironjaw, which should feel much more leisurely since it's my own capital city :D
Capo, September 2008:
After starting on this for my 3rd day in a row, and somewhere between 1400-1500 catches, I hooked Old Crafty. I was nervous as could be since when i pulled him up my bags were full so I had to click and delete something but i was worried the whole time that loot box would disappear.
Swoosh, September 2008:
I got lucky. 50 catches in Valley of Honor :D
Capo, September 2008:
A note for any Alliance that are thinking of going for this, hiding in the Waterfall in the Valley of Honor is going to be a good location as you will be hidden behind rocks and out of sight from horde. The downside of this is your fishing right below the hunter trainer and any hunter with humanoid tracking on will most likely notice you. It might not be a bad idea to have an alchemist make you some Elixir of Camoflauge so you wont show up on the tracker.
Cozmic, September 2008:
I am fishing in Org now as alliance and have had no problems as of yet. I am under the mage trainers as far back on the wall I can go. Also laying down using /lie just to be safe. Just need my Crafty now.
Zahana, September 2008:
As Alliance I found fishing at the Waterfall annoying when like half the cast ended up in rocks so I couldn't click the bobber. However it was much less annoying than by the first aid trainer where horde kept trying to fight me. Killed a 60 priest with the fishing pole equipped, then a 66 mage, before he teamed up with a 70 shaman to get me. At the waterfall I had I warlock attack me, one rogue, and a warrior who gave me a hug (all 70s)
Cozmic, September 2008:
I am currently trying to fish Crafty right now. Seems a lot rarer than Ironjaw but maybe since I did Ironjaw over a few days. I must be up to over 1000 catches now. Only 1 gank so far, a shitty geared hunter wouldn't give up. A few nice horde came and /waved.
NiceBloke, October 2008:
Inspired by the posts here and with a little help from my 9 year old daughter. I fished up Crafty last night.
I took over 700 catches (or 1 episode of Prison Break and half a movie). :)
Time to head over to Ironforge now. Being Horde I've never been in there, how do I get to the cave?
Bug with old crafty?
Teisemanden, October 2008:
Okay, so im out fishing after patch 3.0.2 and im fishing in orgrimmar to clean up daily fishing Q.
Im very excited when i catch the old crafty on first hook, "damn, i must've been lucky". when i then, only 1 hook after the last one, get another old crafy i get suspicious.. a few hooks after.. another crafty. as im writing, i've caught 4 old craftys in what.. 30 minuts?
Picture: http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oldcraftyswowgd0.jpg
So what im asking is; has anyone else caught incredible many craftys?
Cheers.
-Dark
Edit: Another crafty caught, makes it 5 craftys in 40 mins
2nd edit: another one, you do the mathFaela, October 2008:
I've been fishing for Old Crafty for hours and nothing. Perhaps the bug is related to the daily quest? I remember someone else mentioned that they'd caught Crafty with their Baby Crocolisk.
Zahana, October 2008:
I got Crafty in my first cast yesterday as well as the Baby Crocolisk. I got credit for the achievement but was unable to loot him. I didn't not get credit for catching a fish in Org (went back later with a guildie who wanted to run RFC and got it then) The fact that the server was less than 30 seconds from being restarted might have had something to do with it.
Phillip, October 2008:
Hey! I totally had the exact same thing happen to me! I was fishing for my daily in Org (I already had previously fished Old Crafty btw) and I got Old crafty first cast. 15 minutes later and I had 10 Old Craftys. I sent in a ticket to a GM but it never got answered.
el, October 2008:
The Baby Crocolisk came up today, so I got into Orgrimmar and started fishing. The quest fish appeared on the first catch, but after a couple of hundred catches, there is still no sign of Old Crafty. Looks like this was fixed in the latest server maintenance.
tr0tsky, October 2008:
I don't think so El. Guildies of mine got it yesterday. You can't have the baby croc in your inventory or something (if you're in a raid group it's even more apparent, since you can't catch the baby croc)
el, October 2008:
What you said implies:
- Be in a raid group, so you never catch the quest fish, or
- Throw the quest fish back in every time you catch it until Crafty is caught.
tr0tsky, October 2008:
Yah, pretty much. There was a post on my realm forums about someone getting Crafty 10 times in a row on Monday while trying to do Crocs in the City, before she realized she was in a Raid.
So I went there to do some fishing. Got the croc on my first cast and did a few more (10 or so). Tossed it and made a raid group with one of my friends. 5 catches later I had old Crafty, and then a Rogue/Druid combo killed me :P
I commented on this to my guild, although most of them had done the daily quest already. Got on yesterday (it was Crocs in the City again) and 5-6 of them had gotten Crafty in a really short period of time.
Nosajje, October 2008:
Is there any indication that this bug works the same way with Ironjaw as well or only with Crafty?
tr0tsky, October 2008:
Wouldn't work with Ironjaw, I would assume, because Crocs in the City is Org and SW, not IF. I didn't try because I had caught Ironjaw a few days previous.
el, October 2008:
The Baby Crocolisk can be caught in Ironforge.
tr0tsky, October 2008:
Really? Huh, I didn't know that...I always just went to Stormwind since the quest says Stormwind or Orgrimmar.
Rustkill, October 2008:
Call me Ishmael. Wait.. wrong story.
This story is about outsmarting the elusive Old Crafty. Let me explain...
Rustkill is a young gnome rogue. He spends a good part of his days training in the ways of the rogue and doing his best to protect the innocent. Among his guild he is respected as a vicious executioner of the self-proclaimed 'bosses' that loom over Azeroth and the Outlands. There are few adversaries that have thwarted him for very long, and he prides himself on being quick of mind as well as quick of weapon.
Rustkill is also an avid fisherman. On the days he is not assaulting the dungeons of evil maniacs he loves nothing more than to spend his time fishing. Comfortable in his favourite fishing outfit, and protected from the sun by his favourite hat, Rustkill loves the sound of water lapping and fishing bobbers splashing. Fishing has taken Rustkill many places and provided much relaxation (not to mention a little coin). Over the last few months though, his pass-time has led him to the brink of insanity.
Some time ago, word came to Rustkill about two elusive fish. Old Ironjaw of Ironforge and Old Crafty of Orgrimmar. In hushed tones, spoken by fisherman in inns and taverns around the world Rustkill learnt of these fish and became excited. Catching fish like these was just the kind of challenge he enjoyed!
Old Ironjaw proved to be somewaht less than elusive. After only a few afternoons fishing near the place he first learnt the craft, Rustkill fished up Old Ironjaw from the water and smiled with delight. With his prize safely swimming in his bank's safe deposit aquarium Rustkill set his sights toward Kalimdor. Old Crafty would soon be Rustkill's... Or would he?
Day passed. Then weeks. As weeks turned into months Rustkill was sure than he could see the rocks wearing away at his home away from home. Indeed, as he snuck into Orgrimmar and took his place under the waterfall his short Gnomish legs slid comfortably into place on his usual rock. He slipped some bait onto the hook and cast. And cast. And cast. Day turned to night as it had so many times. The roar of the waterfall and the splash of fish became the soundtrack to Rustkill's life. Occasionally a horde fisherman would discover him and make strange gestures towards him. Whether they were encouraging him or simply pitying him was unclear. Sometime a hunter would take offence to the young rogue sitting so near to their trainers and would accost him. Many times he was forced to part from his body for a time - forced to travel across the countryside before being reborn to the waterfall and the crafty fish somewhere below the surface of the water.
But then Rustkill heard word spreading between the fishermen at the taverns. Of course, Rustkill knew of the baby crocolisks that have been appearing in the cities. He himself had helped Old Man Barlow by catching the young critters in Stormwind. But the tales he heard in the inn were something altogether more interesting. It seemed the perhaps Old Crafty had a weakness after all!
Rustkill began to formulate a plan. His nemesis had eluded him for longer than he cared to think about. It seems like nothing Rustkill tried could draw the devil-fish from it's underwater hideout. The rumours pulled at Rustkill until he became resolute. Only a few days pass before Barlow told Rustkill that once again, children had lost baby crocs in the cities. Rustkill grinned devilishly and packed his rod and line. He was about to head to Orgrimmar, the home of his adversary when he ran into one of his friends. His quest for the crafty fish of Kalimdor would have to wait. It seemed the Headless Horseman had reared his ugly... hmm... well he was causing trouble.
We join Rustkill as he battles the horseman...
Rustkill and his friends strike down the headless horseman again and again. The horseman is fierce, Rustkill supposes, but as the headless rider rages against Rustkill and his friends the gnome can hardly concentrate. All he can think about is Old Crafty. Luckily, soon enough the threat of the horseman is contained for another day. And even more fortunately, thinks Rustkill, there is a zepplin tower that leads straight the front door of the slimy fish who taunts him so. With a laugh, Rustkill rides to the tower, slips through the grasps of the horde guards and leaps onto the Zepplin. Soon enough he is outside Orgrimmar. He grits his teeth and heads inside.
Splash splash splash. Rustkill arrives, rod in hand, determined to finally catch his foe. Sure enough, he can see the blurred shapes of crocolisks swimming in the distance. He feeds some bait onto his hook and casts. As expected a crocolisk rushes up greedily. As bad as he feels, Rustkill releases the little menace back into the water. He casts again... The waters teem as fish take flight from the crocs and again Rustkill pulls one of the six-legged beasts up. "Perhaps Old Carfty is braver than I thought", thinks Rustkill. But he tries again. Two more times the crocs take hold of Rustkill's hook. But Crafty is nowhere to be seen. Suddenly though, Rustkill sees an unusual shape dart out from the rocks near a crocolisk, just at the edge of his peripheral vision. Could it be?!
Rustkill flicks his wrists, sending the line out over the water. Ploink! His cast is a good one! (It has better be after all this practise!) The dark, sinister shape circles the water under the bobber, moving closer, then away, then closer, then away again. Crocs are approaching the hook as well, closing in from all directions. The dark shape has nowhere else to go...
Splash! The bobber bobs and Rustkill throws himself backwards. The water parts and his line flies upward. Time seems to stand still as a fish and a crocolisk burst up into the sunshine together. As Rustkill reels in his line, the fish throws itself back and forth, but it is securely hooked - the croc has taken the bait too and is preventing the fish from escaping. Rustkill has never felt such a struggle, but he remains strong and pulls the fish over his bucket and spins it around to look it in the eye. He gasps!
With a laugh that rings with relief and excitement (and maybe just a little sadness) Rustkill lowers Old Crafty into his bucket. Finally the fish that has eluded him for song has been outsmarted. Rustkill takes out his hearthstone and makes his way home. Old Crafty joins Old Ironjaw in the bank and Rustkill enjoys a few brews at the tavern. His day had started out like many others, but for Rustkill, the day had ended with more smiles than he could remember smiling ever before. Finally his task was complete.
The gnome would sleep well that night, for the legendary fish of Orgrimmar was his at last.
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So! After more than 2100 casts trying to catch Old Craft the old fashioned way I decided that I needed to see if Old Crafty would swim to an alliance hook when accosted by crocs in the same way that he did for the horde. I am happy to say that he did. I got the crocs in the city quest and headed to Org (with a slight stop-over at the Scarlet Monastery!). I turned auto-loot off and started fishing. On my first catch I had a croc and a generic fish. I closed the loot window and tried again. The same thing happened. I was slightly discouraged, but determined to keep trying. After a few more casts my theory was confirmed! There was Crafty, along with a baby crocolisk. I clicked the slippery guy and okay'ed the confirmation and the he was finally was mine! This may in fact be a bug, but I simply could not pass up the chance to finally see my nemesis face to face. To my fellow Crafty Hunters I can only offer you good luck. I was forced to resort to trickery to catch Old Crafty... but if he was fishing forme I'm sure he'd do the same. They don't call him crafty for nothing!!
Yith, November 2008:
OK, I came to El's because it's the #1 bestest site in the world and because something odd just happened to me. (BTW El, I love your site and thank you)
I decided I wanted to do Diplomat so I headed on in to Ogrimmar (I'm Alliance). I had Crocolisks in the City (not completed) just by chance. First cast, I pull up BOTH a baby croc AND Old Crafty.
Achievement ding, quests complete, addons make screen go all Vegas-jackpot... a rogue attacks me, which I kill... silly rogues... I mount up and start to head out but then I scroll up and see that my Diplomat Achievement isn't in my chat window. I go back and fish out a regular old fish to complete the Diplomat quest! Thought it was funny that I fished not one, but two things out of Ogrimmar (baby croc and Old Crafty) and it didn't pop the Diplomat Achievement.
Screen shot for the timeline:
http://www.ajandj.com/images/fishing_weirdness.jpg
Yith, Ritual, Dark Iron (US)
Marlburo, November 2008:
I had been fishing for Crafty for what seemed like forever (before achievements even came out) and had a similar "Bug" happen to me during Crocs in the City daily. I caught the croc and old crafty on the first cast, but it would not let me loot Crafty, just the Croc. However the achievement still popped up when I caught him. Needless to say I opened a GM Ticket and they gave me the fish within a couple days no problem.
heraklen, November 2008:
Marlburo wrote:
I had been fishing for Crafty for what seemed like forever (before achievements even came out) and had a similar "Bug" happen to me during Crocs in the City daily. I caught the croc and old crafty on the first cast, but it would not let me loot Crafty, just the Croc. However the achievement still popped up when I caught him. Needless to say I opened a GM Ticket and they gave me the fish within a couple days no problem.
Same thing happened to me yesterday , first catch I got both the crocolisk and old crafty but it was impossible to loot Crafty , it just said "This item cant be looted right now"
Since I already had one Crafty in my bank I didnt care to give it a GM ticket.paintedwings, November 2008:
I just wanted to post and say that I indeed tried the baby Croc daily to see if I could get old crafty and it worked!!! Yesturday I spent 3 hours fishing in Orgimmar and nothing. So I headed to Shatt picked up the baby croc daily headed to Orgimmar and within the first 4 casts I got old crafty!! I took auto loot off and when I got the baby croc the first cast I just closed the window and kept casting, the next two casts I again got the baby croc and again I just closed the window and on the fourth cast crafty was with the baby croc. I hope it works for anyone stuck on old crafty. =)
Paintedwings
Alaylith, November 2008:
Hm, it seems they fixed it.
Just tried it as an Alliance and no old crafty atfer 20 catches. Stupid cows killed me, but I'll try again.
Old Crafty still fishable in phased Orgrimmar?
Gummo, January 2009:
I have no real reason to think this, but since fishing was changed in the last patch, has anyone fished up Old Crafty in Orgrimmar while it is phased? It seems to me Blizzard might've considered that an unfair advantage for Alliance players...
Kamarade Molotov, January 2009:
I have about 300 cast in phased Ogrimmar with Crocolisk quest in my quest log since the patch and no Old crafty yet.
I'm about to complete the chain quest so I can complete the Elders achivement before they are gone.
neocortex, January 2009:
after 3 hours and 500+ casts i gave up... but then someone told me about the Crocolisk quest trick...
10 casts later and up he came...
although this was a few weeks ago... posts 3.0 but before the hotfixes since.
Vendula, January 2009:
I'm about to complete the chain quest so I can complete the Elders achivement before they are gone.
You still have time - the elders aren't going away until February 12th.
Azaguth, January 2009:
There is a two day overlap between the Elders event and the Love is in the Air event. The 11th and 12th, both events will be active.
That being said, I'll be on a unit sponosored marriage retreat (US Army) from the 13th through the 16th. So I'll be trying to do all the elders before the 11th, so on the 11th and 12th I can focus on the Love achievements.
That being said, I thought about the phased Orgrimmar for old crafty, and I don't know why it'd make a difference. It took me quite a few more casts than 500 in a non-phased orgrimmar, so don't give up just yet. The quest chain only takes a couple hours to complete, and if you have all the other elders you can fish up til the 12th, run through the quest chain, and get your orgrimmar elder (and the undercity one) for the elder achievement completion.
Anaxiamander, January 2009:
I suspect not, actually. I just got the quest after the patch, and fishing in phased Orgrimmar didn't even give me The Fishing Diplomat. Judging by that, I'd wager that phased Orgrimmar doesn't even count as Orgrimmar at all.
heathisrael, January 2009:
Actually, fishing up ol'crafty in phased Orgrimmar did work as of mid January 2009. I was unaware of the fishing daily -ol'crafty bug until that night.
About about 6 of us in my guild all caught him the same night. One of us still had the quest where you go to Orgrimmar and he caught ol'crafty in about 7 casts...in phased Orgrimmar.
Took me about 20 casts in regular Orgrimmar.
Kylkiluut, January 2009:
Whoa!
I am SOOO far behind...
First... 'phased' Orgr? What is that?
Second... 6 in one night, one in 20 casts to catch Ol' Crafty? I bet I have over a 1000 casts in Orgr and SW and have never caught the 'Big' one. Perhaps the quest makes it a non-rare drop? Or am I just world-class confused?
Thanks.
heathisrael, January 2009:
Kylkiluut wrote:
Whoa!
I am SOOO far behind...
First... 'phased' Orgr? What is that?
Second... 6 in one night, one in 20 casts to catch Ol' Crafty? I bet I have over a 1000 casts in Orgr and SW and have never caught the 'Big' one. Perhaps the quest makes it a non-rare drop? Or am I just world-class confused?
Thanks.you're world-class behind....go get the 'Crockolisk in the City' outland daily quest. for some reason, just having the quest GREATLY increases your chances of catching Ol'Crafty (make sure you TURN AUTOLOOT OFF...you'll catch the crock every time, just don't loot it and keep casting till you get ol'Crafty. like insanely better odds. 6 of us caught him in one night...everyone in less than 30 casts.
"Phased Orgr" ...the epic quest chain in Dragonblight that ends in the cinematic...after the cinematic, you go to Ogrimar to talk to Thrall. Orgrimar is phased and there's no 'hostile' guards, or any Horde, the whole city is open to you...and there's no travel time as you use a portal from SW.
I tried the ol'crafty bug in IronForge as well...after 50 casts i gave up. never read anywhere that it works in IF...just Org for some reason.
Keff, January 2009:
Can confirm that I was able to fish up Old Crafty in phased Orgrimmar today. Checked the daily in Outland before going but wasn't the crocolisk quest so figured I would just skill up anyway and try my luck.
Took about 3 hours, roughly 600 fish and a handful of the usual odds and sods before I pulled him out. Relatively lucky but nothing to suggest that the patch changed anything.
Wolfang, January 2009:
Been fishing for days now in Orgrimmar...over 3000 casts. Got the 1 ring, 17lb, 19lb and 22lb catfish...no Old Crafty. I think it's broken.
spam1107, January 2009:
It took me over 3000 casts over the last couple days to catch Old Crafty in phased Org, but I finally did it. I definitely started to think it was broken as I past 3000 casts but woke up this morning, fished twice, and there he was. So as of today, he is still catchable.
Wolfang, February 2009:
Agreed. It took me 3950 casts but I finally got him today. I died about 20 times or so from Hordies...most were kind, but a few were really nasty.
Odds of taking that long to catch him: 1.92%
Good luck to all...hope yours is better than mine was.
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Tanlos, March 2009:
As of 3/28/09 (Version 3.0.9) Old Crafty is still fishable in phased Orgrimmar.
Roughly 1500 casts over 3 sessions (about twice as fast as the rat)
francislam44, April 2009:
Just got it on 04/09/09 in phased Orgrimmar.
Made roughly 1000 casts without the Crocolisk daily at Valley of Spirits.
However, could not gain the The Fishing Diplomat at the same time. =(
cpengel, April 2009:
You can definitely catch Crafty while phased, and get the diplomat achievement. I did both last week.
Talathan, April 2009:
heathisrael wrote:
"Phased Orgr" ...the epic quest chain in Dragonblight that ends in the cinematic...after the cinematic, you go to Ogrimar to talk to Thrall. Orgrimar is phased and there's no 'hostile' guards, or any Horde, the whole city is open to you...and there's no travel time as you use a portal from SW.
Ok, I've done one Dragonblight quest line that ends in a cinematic - no phased Orgrimmar. Can you recall the quest name? I tried WoWHead to see what quests start or end with Thrall - but it lists only Horde quests.
Edit: Ok, after doing more research I did find the info I needed. The quest chain for both Horde and Alliance is listed among the posts at http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=547
I'm glad I came here before I went too much farther. I got the Veteran of the Wrathgate achievement, but I didn't finish the entire chain. I'm hoping that, like Stormwind, it doesn't need more than Fishing 1. (Ok, he CAN fish - he just hasn't. Skill's somewhere around 100)
suutar, May 2009:
I tried this last night. I got the port to phased Org, watched the scripted conversation, and then before turning in the quest step I ran out to try to fish. I could cast, and the bobber would jump, but when I clicked, I got no fish and no message. I did get a skillup, though. *sigh* Oh well.
Usagija, August 2009:
It DOES work. I am proof! I caught Old Crafty in 7 casts while it was phased at max fishing, no lures. My boyfriend was also there to witness because I was slightly disappointed in how easy it was. I could have just logged there. I then proceeded to do the Ragefire Chasm achievement just because I didn't want to waste the opportunity.
Strange, like francislam44 I caught it 04/09/09, maybe it was bugged? But Crocolisks in the City was not the daily for that day.
foneldar, August 2009:
Since the last patch you have to complete the Battle for the Undercity quest line in order to fish in Orgrimmar.
I tried picking up the Shattrath City Crocolisk daily but it no longer works.
This was confirmed by a GM this morning.
Fishing in phased Orgrimmar?
Vessanoran, April 2009:
Ok, so I got tired of getting ganked everytime I went to catch Old Crafty. I finally got around to doing the quest chain (up to: "Fate, Up Against Your Will") a couple days ago, so that I could fish worry free in phased Orgrimmar.
The first night: 750+ casts... nothin (well, a BUNCH of Mud Snapper's)
The second night: 150+ casts... MORE Mud Snapper's
The third night: 3.1 dropped... went to go try my luck... WTH? I couldnt catch anything!
Does anyone know if they changed it so you can no longer fish while on this quest?
el, April 2009:
What message do you get? There are no fish here? I wouldn't be surprised if it got removed - it gave quite a big advantage, that could never be repeated once the quest was complete.
Vessanoran, April 2009:
No message. Just when I clicked on my bobber nothing came up. I did this a dozen or so times just to verify. I'll be heading back soon to try again. Praying it was a glitch last night.
Vessanoran, April 2009:
So I just went back to try my luck again. Now, I get the loot box when I click on the bobber... and nothing is in it... ???
buMf00d, April 2009:
server lag most likely i guess, my server has been acting strange as well
ashyni, April 2009:
I couldn't get this one either - it would say I caught X but there was nothing in inventory and the achievement didn't proc.
Snafu, April 2009:
This is what I'm seeing:
I'm in phased Orgimmar now, and was there yesterday as well. I was able to catch the baby croc (for the daily) with no problem, but nothing came with it. (Before the patch, it was never the only item in that catch.) After the patch, with every cast the bobber bounces and splashes as usual, but the loot box comes up and shows nothing in it. However, in the upper left hand corner of the frame of the box is the old skull and crossbones that I'm sure we've all seen before when there's nothing to loot.
It looks deliberate to me.
Vessanoran, April 2009:
Ok, third times a charm? Don't I wish! Now when I click on my bobber I don't even get a loot box. Oh well, guess I'll go back and do it the way it was intended. Happy fishing!
Narinae, April 2009:
This happened to me too, exactly as it did to Vessanoran. The first time I went I got empty loot windows. On subsequent attempts nothing happened when I clicked the bobber. (Although it's possible autoloot being on at some times and not others might have been involved there.) I did get a Crocolisk when I went with that quest open, but just the Crocolisk itself...and the fishing diplomat achievement lol.
I petitioned inquiring whether this is a bug or a fix and have been notified that my petition was escalated, so I continue to cling to the hope that this might be a bug and not intentional. I'll update if I hear anything further. You may not want to drop your quest to get into Orgrimmar yet!
Edit: Ah, alas. "Upon further investigation, the behavior you reported is functioning normally and correctly." No more fishing in phased Orgrimmar.
Narinae, April 2009:
Having determined that phased Orgrimmar is no help, and finding myself unable to sleep in the wee (and off-peak) hours of the night, I went to real Orgrimmar today. I went with the crocolisk quest (not yet completed) to try to confirm the reports that that's not helping either since 3.0.8 (but mostly because I was grasping at straws to try to get this fish without days of being ganked). After getting two crocolisks without Old Crafty I gave up on that helping either and looted one. 190 fish later, I got my Old Crafty. WHEW. So I can confirm the following:
Fishing in phased Orgrimmar no longer works, with the exception that you can fish up the crocolisk if you have that quest. This could still help alliance who want to get the Fishing Diplomat achievement in safety.
Fishing in regular Orgrimmar while you have the crocolisk quest active will not help you get Old Crafty. However, neither will it hurt your chances.
On to Ironforge! Look out Old Ironjaw....
Gihelle, April 2009:
That's a great change tbh. I always thought of fishing in Phased Orgrimmar as of a glitch.
Antonine, April 2009:
Yes, they finally removed fishing in phased Org (I believe it was announced, or at least commented on by a blue)
Hey, be happy you're with the Alliance, you actually have places to hide in our city. There is no hiding in Ironforge, and that was before they took out lava fishing.
Snafu, April 2009:
I logged on here to share a conversation I had with a GM about it, only to find the news is out. ;) So I'll just confirm what everyone else is saying....fishing phased Orgimmar is gone. In answer to my question about it, the GM said "Indeed, it was changed so that players could not catch old crafty without risk of PvP interaction (which is considered to be part of the difficulty of the achievement.)"
I took a screen shot, too. It probably isn't needed to verify any of this now, but I've already done all the work. lol
http://files.filefront.com/13626115
"Difficulty"? Some of these are beyond difficult. I quit counting casts for Ol Ironjaw at about 3,600! At least I've seen other people catch him, so I know he's real. I didn't even bother to start counting casts for Ol Crafty. And after hours of grinding away at him, I'm about ready to give up on that achievement. I don't feel bad about it...the GM gave up too.
Maybe these achievements should be listed under the "Feats of Strength" category. :p
Antonine, April 2009:
Yes, it took me just under 5,000 casts to catch Old Ironjaw. Since you can't really hide in Ironforge (trust me, people will kill you just for trying the sleeping underwater trick) I learned quite a few techniques for communicating and gathering supporters from the Alliance side, none of which involved /beg or making an alt.
I find that if you're out in the open, wearing fishing gear, you're less likely to be griefed than if you're hiding and trying to be sneaky. Even the people who would kill me over and over would eventually find my persistance entertaining and then go on to protect me from others.
On a positive note, that gets rid of the Horde screaming "unfair" on yet another Alliance boost. :D
Old Crafty bug - Another point of view.
Norrinir, November 2008:
Hey fellow fisherman/women.
This is my first time posting here. Although I visit this site few months, I didn't need to write anything. So, before I ask, I'd like to thank El for this wonderful site and fishing luck it gave to me, and of course everyone posting here for lots of useful information.I wasn't really interested in Old Crafty/Ironjaw before. I've won Fishing tournament, got few parts of fishing gear, got Pinchy's pet.. so I didn't think I'd ever want to catch those. Achievements didn't change much, because those weren't part of Salty achievement.
However, now, when there's pretty bug with Old Crafty and fishing daily quest. I had to make really painful decision. Seeing as my friends fished Crafty within merely tens catches, I tought, I have to do only two fishing achievements and I'm done with all currently obtainable. Crafty seemed as best place to start. However, as a patient fisherman (although I won't argue with other, there are more patient that I am; it took me only 1100 to get rare fish..), I though it wouldn't be fair to do this achievement thanks to this bug.
I've chosen the hard way. After Old Ironjaw on 130th catch, I had good mood and went to Org next day. No success in Valley of Honor, so I ended in water under mage trainers in Valley of Spirits (at least, I think it's the name of it). 1100 casts and nothing, I went back next day and caught it finally within another 400-500 casts.
Now, my question: Do you think that fisherman should take advantage of this bug and get rid of this painful grind? What would you do, what do you think about it?
(P.S.: Nobody on my server can confirm if it does still work after patch 3.0.3. We had that daily only on this weekend, nothing after patch 3.0.3. So, my question might be out-of-date)
And please, be tolerant to my English, I'm trying to do my best.
Famos, November 2008:
i think a person that wants to get achievements done should go ahead and use the bug. let them do it and get out of my way :P... i cant speak for everyone, but i know i fish for the unknown. i never know what is going to be on the other end of that line.
sure its kind of boring sometimes, but it makes it that much better when you finaly get what you are fishing for. besides... after you catch "everything" what would you have left to fish. fish'n aint about gett'n it over with, its about enjoy'n the time. i dont think the easy way is the most rewarding way.
Jolly Rogers, November 2008:
I had not fished up crafty or ironjaw for that matter before the patch 3.0.2 and although i was aware of the glich i grinded it out. Painful and frustrating but i knew it would be more rewarding, and it was. All 1821 catches for crafty and 871 for ironjaw. Character building exercises, phat lewtz, and a good story rolled into one, what more can you ask?
anniefish, November 2008:
Honestly. I find fishing for Old Crafty very stressful. i mean I enjoy a challenge but getting ganked and stalked while trying to catch a non-title fish isn't that fun for me. Or at least it's not in the same challenge as Mr. Pinchy pet or the rare fish.
I have tried, and not succeeded in this fish and I'm not sure i will. So many that I know have gotten it through the bug.
I do enjoy interacting with horde and trying to be supportive of them if they're in IF fishing for the same. There is definitely a brotherhood in this game with fishing that I respect.
That's my 2 coppers :)
Balazar, November 2008:
Well, I can confirm the bug still exists in 3.0.3. I just tested it, and got the (unlootable) old Crafty on my first catch.
It *is* a somewhat lame way to get the achievement. However, as I'd already spend several thousand casts getting six Mr. Pinchys on the way to my magical crawdad, I must confess I didn't mind testing to see if the shortcut was still around. ;-)
I also agree that it's a little stressful. I felt that I had established that I could make my way in to Org (having done it twice for fishing), and now it was just a matter of time. I can't really afford to stay up super late (or be on super early) when it would be the easiest to do, and I'm not on a PvP server just to avoid the gankfests, so I doubt I'll be going back soon to get it the real way.
I figure I'll spend enough time fishing up the rare fish now, anyway, to keep me honest.
Teejay, November 2008:
I'm not very fond of abusing bugs. On one hand I really want Old Crafty, but abusing a bug to get him makes him feel a bit less epic. On the other hand though, you do exactly as the description says because you do 'outsmart' him :P So I think I will give this a try as soon as the Crocolisks in the City daily pops up.
Vicenti, November 2008:
Well for me taking advantage of the bug is no fun, it’s like you just missed out on a part of the game. I started out as a fisherman as I enjoyed these little challenges, it would be a shame to miss out on one. There aren’t that many rare fish/achievements for us fishermen and when they’re gone they’re gone, why waste one?
Illuthas, November 2008:
I caught Old Crafty a while before patch 3.0.2,I think i would try to catch the fish for about 200 casts,if it does'nt work i would use the bug.
Balazar, November 2008:
Vicenti wrote:
Well for me taking advantage of the bug is no fun, it’s like you just missed out on a part of the game. I started out as a fisherman as I enjoyed these little challenges, it would be a shame to miss out on one. There aren’t that many rare fish/achievements for us fishermen and when they’re gone they’re gone, why waste one?
Oh, I agree, but the key point here is "for me".
That is, I found the idea of learning how to "sneak" into Org fun. I found fishing there alongside some horde who could, if they wanted, gank me - fun.
I don't find sitting there for six hours fun as a concept, however. For others, it may add to the satisfaction. I'm not a big fan of grinding overall, and only do it if I have some goal in mind, that seems reasonably achievable.
Overall, it is one think I don't like about the salty achievement. I do want to complete it - so it makes the whole thing kind of like a checklist of stuff I need to get done. For some of it, that's fine (and fun), but for others - that are more of a chore - it becomes work, stress, un-fun. For me, at any rate. YMMV.
Norrinir, November 2008:
Well, Dragonmaw is PvP server and many people here are just used to ganking. Most Horde I met just killed me on sight, so, it wasn't fun at all. Seeing as everyone would come to me, while I was fishing for few hours, just so they can make it worse for me. And everyone, I mean really everyone. Even low levels just came to me, obviously they couldn't do anything to me, so they at least shouted that I'm there.
Real downer for me was Horde's fishing community, even those who were fishing attacked me. On other side, when I saw someone fishing in IF, I'd just let them continue. Fishing community always looked somehow special for me and I though people would be more solidary. Never mind.
However, as Vicenti said, it was challenge for me and well, when I start somthing, I just can't leave it. I can imagine that I'd get over this ganking and continue fishing until I'd get it. However, this is really strange, I decided to get Crafty (and even Ironjaw, although I got him before Crafty) only because of this bug and I didn't even take advantage of it...
I can enjoy fishing but I can make it real nightmare. It's pretty sad. I made from my Crafty farming must-do thing and thus real nightmare. Looking back at it, I'm glad that I caught it within two days, I'd be probably in Orgrimmar now, still trying to catch it.
Lamentation, November 2008:
I wish I'd known that this was a bug, myself, now I feel I've cheated myself out of the achievement >< Got an Old Crafty and the crocolisk on one cast, and couldn't loot the crafty... repped it and received the fish in the mail, even though I got credit for it. Now I'll have to see if I can fish up a second, without the 'exploit' ^^
On the other hand, I could just go to Ironforge and get Ironjaw the 'right' way... 3 or 4 days there and no luck so far ^^
The Wrathgate and fishing in Orgrimmar.
Kahless, November 2008:
I saw a hint about this mentioned somewhere but I thought I'd start a thread on it here.
So I finished the Wrathgate quest line in Dragonblight today and I'm doing the followup quest "Fate, Up Against Your Will"
This quest sends you to Orgrimmar on a diplomatic mission to speak with Warchief Thrall.At first I though I was instanced since there are Guards but they don't attack and there are no other NPCs or players.
Turns out it's the real Orgrimmar, just "filtered" using some new mechanic that Blizz has added to the game.
Other players can't see you and you can't see them unless they are on the same quest.
NPCs that you can see are altered by the quest.The upside is you can fish in Orgrammar as long as you like without guards or players attacking you.
I will not turn in this quest until I have caught Old Crafty.
With a little luck I may catch the really big catfish while I'm at it.el, November 2008:
I cast a line during that quest too, and I agree, fish can be caught. Same during the Battle of the Undercity (although there is no reason to). If you do manage to catch Old Crafty, please post a confirmation.
Kahless, November 2008:
I was worried at first that I might not be able to catch old crafty in this way but my fear was removed when I realized it was the real Org and not an instanced copy.
I will confirm WHEN I catch him. I fully expect to.
So far the loot table looks exactly the same.
Marlene, November 2008:
Once I start the wrathgate quest... I think I am going to pick up the crocalisk in the city quest or try to and then go to Orgrimmar and see if I can get both. :D
I would like to get something to display in my header here at el's Anglin'! And I have been fishing since day one. I just always fished from nods to get the fish and treasure.
:D
Oh well. Got to start somewhere.
Marlene
Kahless, November 2008:
Confirmed!
I finally caught him today while in Org under the quest.
Easy Fishin', No Ganking. Takes some of the fun out of it but certainly makes it alot easier.Probably something to add to your cross faction fishing FAQ.
I left Org last night and did my dailies this morning, then I was able to return to Org by porting back from Stormwind. Just talk to Jaina Proudmoore in SW Keep and she'll port you back.
pinktoque, November 2008:
ahhh so this is the quest BattleMoose was talking about in the other thread about Old Crafty. Dang, I'm Horde, so this quest won't help me catch Old Ironjaw in Ironforge :(
There wouldn't happen to be an equivalent for Horde that will let them go to IF unflagged? *wishful thinking*
Kahless, November 2008:
Edit: I found the details on the Horde followup quests to the Wrathgate line.
No free trip to IF for them.http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=547
Faela, November 2008:
I also caught Old Crafty in the 'filtered' Orgrimmar of the Wrathgate chain yesterday.
Yavanna, November 2008:
Confirmed. I caught him today - took 959 casts. I also confirmed with a GM if this was possible and legal.
3.0.8 changes to fishing daily quests
Kelemeth, January 2009:
[Crocolisks in the city] has changed a bit in 3.0.8, and could annoy many.
First off, as with the other fishing dailies, it takes multiple casts to reel in the quest fish. It took me 12 casts to get my Baby croc. I was fishing in Orgrimmar for Old crafty since I heard his drop rate increases to an almost guarentee. However, in those 12 casts. Old crafty did not appear once. It seems Blizzard have fixed this "bug" so having the quest will no longer drop Old crafty at an increased rate. This means, as far as I can see, people will have to go back to grinding for the Elusive fish of The Capital cities.
The [Shrimpin' Ain't Easy] quest, against my first impression, does not drop on every catch now. It will use the drop rate of Barbed Gill Trout as it replaces that fish on the catch table.
The [Felblood Fillet] quest now requires multiple casts. Caught one in 15 casts.
The [Bait Bandits] quest also requires multiple casts. Caught on in 7 casts (Confirmed by "Salty" Norrinir)
The quest [The one that got away] requires multiple casts. (Posted by Norrinir)
Seems the only quest really effected is [crocolisks in the city] in relation to Old crafty.
rakoth, January 2009:
I did Shrimpin' Ain't Easy today and, as it was prior to the patch, I do NOT get Bloated Barbed Gill Trout with every catch.
The dailies are now as they should be IMHO. Getting the quest item on the first cast was just silly.
As for the Old Crafty bug, I'm hoping it's fixed. The quest is intended to be hard (and I say that without having caught Old Crafty or Ironjaw).
Norrinir, January 2009:
I can confirm One that got away and Bait bandits. Both required more casts than one.
Technically, it's just a bug fix, but we got pretty much used to it. I miss it already, fishing dailies drive me mad, 5 months of trying and still no hat and I doubt this will help it.
wyrmsmom, January 2009:
I ,luckily, got the hat during the previous patch. But, since 3.0.8, the dailies take a lot longer. I used to get the baby crockolisk on first cast in the mage pool at IF every time. Last try, however, I had numerous casts in IF with no luck and finally went off to Stormwind (where the quest actually says to go, LOL!) and got one there on the second cast.
Talathan, January 2009:
I did the Shrimping Ain't Easy today, and I got a bloated on ALMOST every cast. Seven casts and the quest was done. Four bloated had 2 a piece, two bloated had 1 each... and the seventh cast that wasn't a bloated (not in that order, of course).
woxingma, February 2009:
Sounds like they've reverted the dailies to back what they used to be. I remember when all of teh sudden the quest drops were first cast and getting really excited, then I realized after a couple of days something had changed......
Pilwei, February 2009:
I caught Old Crafty twice this week. These were my first two catches of the shark-like swimmer. On 2/16/09 and 2/19/09. In both cases I was on Old Man Barlo's Daily quest of "Crocolisks in the Sewers" and had decided to keep fishing after catching the Baby Crocolisk to raise my fishing skill. I had raised my skill 2-3 points and bang there was the Crafty one. Same situation on the second day.
Picture of the two Old Crafty's in my Bank at: Screen Shot of Pilwei Bank with 2 Old Craftys
Ceraina, March 2009:
The crafty bug has been fixed. I did the achievement the "old-fashioned way" on my main, but really didn't want to spend another 400+ casts for an alt. I did the Wrath Gate achievement in Dragonblight, got the follow-up that phases you to non-hostile in Ogrimmar, took the portal, and headed to the pools in the valley to fish. (Alliance if you hadn't already guessed). I had the crocs in the city daily, tried the "bug" option, and it obviously didn't work. I had a total of 377 casts for him and twice ignored the croc catch for the daily within the first 50 or so catches. I finally accepted the croc on the third fish-up and still took nearly 300 more casts to get Crafty. Happy it's done.
A brief overview of getting to Salty
Laizhensil, December 2008:
Just the other night, I finally completed all the requirements to be Salty and received my title. It took a lot of forum scouring and a lot of reading to gather the right information, so I figured I'd post a short log of all that I did and how I did it, to help others on their way.
Of course, I would attribute almost all of my success to El, whose site is just the definitive source of fishing information for WoW players, bar none. Thanks El!
I'll go through the achievements briefly, one at a time, and tell how I finished them.
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Northrend Angler - Fish 10 nodes in Northrend(copied from Thottbot, credit to kitkibbles)
*Fangtooth Herring* - fresh waters in Howling Fjord
*Musselback Sculpin* fresh water in Borean Tundra (I got mine in Lake Hum'uya located directly south east of Amber ledge).
*Borean Man O' War* Off the coast in Borean Tundra (I got mine at the shrine of scales located just off the southwest coast of riplash strand).
*Imperial Manta Ray* off the coast in Borean Tundra (I got mine at riplash strand but there are tons in dragonblight at Moa'ki Harbor as well).
*Nettlefish* freshwater in Sholazar Basin... these fish are like fleas and can be found in all lakes and rivers there. I got mine in the seabreach flow just east of nesingwary base camp.
*Dragonfin Angelfish* Lake Indu'le just north of moa'ki harbor in dragonblight. I didn't see them anywhere else but they could be in other freshwater locations too of course.
*Glassfin Minnow* freshwater in crystalsong forest. They were everywhere in the river that runs through the area.
*Glacial Salmon* freshwater in Grizzly Hills. I got mine in the river located just south of Zeb'halak.
*Deep Sea Monsterbelly* salt water off the icebergs south of Unu'pe in the frozen sea, Borean tundra.
*Moonglow Cuttlefish* salt water off the icebergs south of Unu'pe in the frozen sea, Borean tundra.
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Master Angler of Stranglethorn
Ah, the dreaded fishing contest. This was my last achievement for Salty. I won after 2 serious attempts. This is exactly what I did-
- Hearthstone to Booty Bay Inn
- I fished the area directly south of Grom'gol. There is a water fall which separates the land. I started on the side furthest from Grom'gol. I fished exclusively in the first 6 nodes and only the first 6 nodes. When there were no nodes (which only happened once) I sat and waited for them to reappear.
- I used water walking potions to fish the nodes which were across the waterfall break in the coast.
- I caught 7 Oily Blackmouths, 1 Stranglekelp and 1 Firefin and still won the competition.
- I won in exactly 20 minutes and 41 seconds.
- The area only had 3-5 other fishermen when I was there. When there were 2 people at a node, I'd skip it and move to the next node, always staying between my 6 designated nodes. If there was not a fishing node with less than 2 people, I would run back and forth waiting for the next one to spawn.
- I used a macro to track the amount of Tastyfish I had. It was this...#showtooltip Speckled Tastyfish
- The first time I tried, I caught 9 Oily Blackmouths and was quite angry at Blizzard for implementing a RNG in an already very luck driven competition. I lost at 19m 55s, with 31 fish. :)
------------------------------The One That Didn't Get Away
- I fished in Thunderbull Lake in Mulgore for the 15 pound Mudfish. It took me 1310 casts. I thought about going for the Herring, but it seemed like a hassle, because I wasn't sure if it dropped only from the Herring nodes or from the actual open sea.
- I parked myself in front of the TV at home, picked out three good movies, and started fishing.
- I set my cast to hotkey 1.
- I would press 1, place the mouse icon over the bobber, then proceed to watch my show. With the sound turned up, and no one else fishing, I could just reach down instinctively and right-click to pick up the fish. I would then repeat the process.
- I had Auto-Loot on and didn't worry about casting too fast, because the 15 pound mudfish is NOT BoP, so it does not require you to accept it.-------------------------------
Mr. Pinchy
- I do the daily fishing quest in Terrokar anyway, so whenever I would do that, I would empty out all the Highland Mixed Schools in the area. This means the lake by the alliance town, the lake by the horde town, and the bigger lake up in Skettis. 3-5 nodes in both the Horde and Alliance rivers, and 7-10 in the Skettis area.
- They spawn rather slow, so after cleaning out the nodes I would find something else to do for 2 hours then come back.
- I caught Mr. Pinchy the first time in just 31 casts (very luck, I know). But this resulted in 2 Benevolent Mr. Pinchys and 1 Pinchy Blessing, so I had to do it again.
- I caught him again after about 600 casts. The first prize was a gift-box, and the second was the pet.
- I made sure that I paid attention while fishing, because he is BoP, so you need to click accept.---------------------------------
I smell a Giant Rat
- In the underbelly of the sewer, on the pier next to the Inn, is where I fished for this guy.
- It took me about 1000 casts.
- He is BoP too, so watch out and don't go too fast.
- My best advice for not burning yourself out on fishing is to start chatting in /1 or /2 or in /g.---------------------------------
Deadliest Catch
- I solo'd this as a 74 Frost Mage.
- First, you need to be in a raid group, so have a friend or stranger group with you, start a raid group, then head in on your own.
- Advise the person you are grouped with that he or she will be unable to complete any non-raid quests while you are doing this. (Took us forever to figure out why my girlfriend could not pick up mushrooms for the cooking daily in Dalaran hehe)
- You must enter ZG twice- First to pick up the jugs of ale which are at Nat Pagle's fishing site on the north side of the big lake which Hakkar is in the middle of.
- Then you must take them to Nat Pagle in Dustwallow Marsh and he'll give you what you need to fish up this guy.
- Then you need to fish the mudskunk nodes which are in the exact same place in ZG. (I fished the mudskunks the first time I went so I could just go straight to the boss the second time)
- Once you have the mudskunks and the lure from Nat Pagle, you can go to Nat Pagle's fishing site in ZG and fish up the boss and get the achievement.
- Fishing up the boss is all you need to do. No need to try to solo him ;)
- Once I fished him up, I Invisibilitied and ran out. Done.----------------------------------------
The Scavenger
(credit to jamras on thottbot)
Steam Pump Flotsam: Zangarmarsh, all over the lakes
Schooner Wreckage: Southshore, near dock and along coast line
Floating Wreckage: Tanaris, coast
Bloodsail Wreckage: STV, coast south of Grom'Gol
Waterlogged Wreckage: STV, Lake Nazferiti and along river----------------------------------------
The Coin Master
This is accomplished by fishing the entire collection of coins out of the tiny fountain in Dalaran.
- Copper is the easiest to catch, Silver second and Gold hardest.
- Only Gold coins can be thrown back into the pool to increase your chances of getting more coins.
- The buff from tossing gold coins lasts only 2 minutes, which seems to go by VERY quickly. Make sure you don't mis-click or go afk while you have the buff.
- I finished Silver before Copper, then Gold last. The last Gold coin I needed was Thrall's.
- There is a fishing vendor right next to the fountain who has lures for you to use.
- You CAN fish the same coin out of the fountain more than once. In fact, I had a stack of about 10 Danath's copper coin when I was done. I sold the dupes to the vendor.
- I had many instances of "Your cast didn't land in fishable water".
- It took approximately 500 casts to acquire the whole collection. This can obviously be reduced or increased by the random number generator, but you can help yourself by using Gold Coins effectively.-----------------------------------------
Outland Angler
Not much to tell here, it's pretty easy.
(credit to rozlyn on Thottbot)
Brackish Mixed School - Terokkar and Zangarmarsh
Bluefish School - Nagrand
Mudfish School - Nagrand
School of Darter - Terokkar Forest
Highland Mixed School - Skettis
Sporefish School - Zangarmarsh----------------------------------------
Old Man Barlowned
Very simple-
There is a daily fishing quest in Terrokar. Each day the fishing quest is randomly chooses one of five fishing quests for you to do. Keep doing this quest every day and eventually you will get all 5.
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The Lurker Above
Fish up the Lurker Below in Serpentshrine Cavern
- This is definitely soloable.
- I followed this guide:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2GPZwpkwPg
Credit to TheZemalf (YouTube)
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Catch 1000 Fish
- Pretty straight forward.
- With the time you'll spend fishing for coins, the rat and The one that didn't get away, you will MORE than hit this. (It took me about 7500 fish to finish the achievement panel for fishing)
- Don't go out of your way to accomplish this, just let it happen on it's own while doing other achievements.-----------------------------------------
The Old Gnome in the Sea
- Another fishing achievement which will come automatically by doing other achievements.
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Fish Don't Leave Footprints
Acquire the Fish Tracking ability
- By fishing out of "wreckage" nodes, you will often get boxes of level relevant profession loot. (Light Leather, Bolts of Mageweave, etc.)
- In these boxes there is a small chance to get the book which teaches you this ability.
- Run along the western coast of Stranglethorn Vale and you should at least find one or two wreckage nodes. Fish these until you get crates.
- Wreckage nodes are easy to spot, because they're not your normal, swirling water nodes. They actually have boxes and pieces of lumber floating in them.--------------------------------------
And that's how I got to Salty :)
I hope this has been helpful in answering some of those ambiguous questions one runs into after forum crawling for the easiest way to finish an achievement.
On a side note-
I did Old Ironjaw and Old Crafty as well.
- Old Craft was very easy. Simply get the Baby Crocolisk quest and go to Orgrimmar. When the loot box comes up, ignore it and keep fishing. After a dozen or so casts, you'll get Old Crafty.
- Old Ironjaw was the hardest fishing achievement I've done, to date. I play Horde, so I had to hide out in the Forlorn Cavern for 4000 casts. I got attacked and camped at least a dozen times. If you are Horde and you are going for Old Ironjaw, I'll give you these pointers:
Do not wear any items with Durability. Rings and Trinkets and Necklaces are okay, but don't destroy your armor by getting killed a bunch of times.
First, go to the back of the Forlorn Cavern. If you get attacked, move to the Lava in the middle of Ironforge (just behind the northernmost cog on the bridge in the exact middle of IF). You'll get attacked in both places, but at least you can escape some camping.
Do NOT fight back. This will only aggravate the Alliance more, and they'll end up camping your body. You are much less fun to antagonize if all you do is stand still and die. Plus, if you attack any NPCs, there will be a yellow message broadcast to all of Ironforge alerting them to your presence, so don't rock the boat.
It helps to fish during off hours (early morning and midday).
Make SURE you watch your screen and don't habituate yourself to casting over and over. Old Ironjaw is BoP, so you MUST accept him once the window pops up, and you don't want to have to do another 5000 casts because you were fishing too fast.
Yoco, December 2008:
Very nice overview! Thanks!
Illuthas, December 2008:
Very nice,though Giant Sewer rat isnt in the achievement :p
Dagnie, December 2008:
Congratulations, and thank you for writing all this out! Very nice post combining all the info that is scattered over multiple websites :)
sendmejunk77, December 2008:
I can report that the bug still works for fishing up Old Crafty as of 12/21/08. I used it in combination with the Wraith Gate free pass to Org. I justified it in that I'd fished around 400 times, w/o the baby crockolisk quest before giving this a shot. If you dont have the baby crock quest, you can leave Org and wait a few days until the daily quest pops up. You'll have to run into Org but only the first few guards will try to attack. Once inside they go back to leaving you alone, you can fish up your crock, old crafty, and finish the epic quest. Nice!
Untoucheable, December 2008:
Old Crafty
I would also like to add that I came across tis quest for alliance (even though im horde) that will allow alliance to easily get into orgrimmar without hassle of guards or players.http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=13369
This quest ports you to orgrimmar under amnesty to talk to thrall, its basically a separate orgrimmar so no players to worry about. Go there with this quest and the crocs in the city daily and you got yourself an easy 10 achievement points.
Zemalf, December 2008:
Very nice guide for those going for Salty (got mine yesterday, finishing with One That Didn't Get Away). And thanks for the credit for my The Lurker Above vid :)
Old Crafty / Croc in the city / Dragonblight phased event / post 3.08
zeusnjacky, January 2009:
I have a few answers to several questions on these forums and wished I saw some of the replies here a few days ago.
I started fishing for old craft after doing the 'veteran of the wraithgate' quest but before I finished the chain so I could fish phased and not deal with the horde players / guards. Anyhow I also saw the bug with the croc in the city and tried that.
The result. 50 crocs and no crafty of which after a while I stopped tossing the croc. After 900 fish still no crafty. I became concerned even though I have heard the average is about 1500 fish not using the previous croc bug that blizzard might have made it impossible to catch crafty while phased. There were actually two of us fishing so the total fish count was near 2K with no reward. We both opened tickets to a GM to avoid 2 weeks of fishing for no reason. Anyhow the GM response is that the phased event will have no effect on the ability to fish or catch special fish.
Conclusion. The croc quest bug is fixed but alliance or horde for that matter can fish in phase for as long as they want and in theory should catch it at some point. I'll update this forum if I am successful in that endevor before I have to bail and complete the chain quest to finish the elder achievement.
zeusnjacky, January 2009:
Well I caught old crafty today so that answers the question of whether it can be done in phase after 3.08. I feel kinda bad as I just logged in and threw a couple casts and saw that another alliance fisherman was nearby. I ran around and found them and chatted with for a few. Threw one cast in and caught it... oops :).
stuff, February 2009:
Tip: When on the quest Fate, Up Against Your Will which is apart of the phased quest line, talking to Jaina Proudmoore, who's standing to the right of King Varian Wrynn in Stormwind Keep, will open up a portal Orgrimmar. So now you can keep hearth in Dal and still be back to Orgrimmar fishing in minutes, instead of probably 30 mins of running around.
And the only way to get out of phased is to finish the quest line. Or so the GM told me.
About 800 casts into Orgrimmar waters, and nothing so far.
definex, February 2009:
zeusnjacky : im assuming that you were phased at the time that you caught ol crafty? It sounds like it from the informal way that you were able to find other alliance, but it was not stated explicitly.
Hoping so ... still casting in phased mode
d
heos, February 2009:
I caught it phased in the last week (post 3.08) so good luck.
Zocake, February 2009:
From my personal experience, Old Crafty is well... crafty!
I have tried on two characters to get him, no luck.
First was my warlock, which was at max fishing skill (without +fishing gear), and was able to fish in the phased Orgrimmar. There was 8 hours spent in here, and numerous casts. Ive tried this with the Crocolisks quest, in a raid group, without a raid group, without the quest, and all sorts of server time combinations. There was no luck yet.
HOWEVER, I was joined in my phased Org by a mage, who got Old Crafty after just a few casts.. (so, phased fishing still works)Second time around, I was on my priest. Now, being an Alliance player, fishing in Org does have its complications. I had already completed the phased event before attempting this, and so was in a "live" Org. I spent 3 hours fishing for Old Crafty, and no luck. Yet again, I tried a combination of with and without quest/groups, and no luck.
Though, I was lucky enough to go early in the morning as to not be pestered by horde (though, there was a nice little troll that came to fish with me) and this was a bonus.
I went in with 300 fishing and left with 800 fish, my 1k fish achievement (which was about 250 fish in), and a skill of 362. (with majority of time with the Crocolisks quest, I think its safe to say this bug has been fixed, and I wouldnt recommend setting hopes with it)
Maybe I'll get lucky again when I attempt tonight.However, no one sould give up hope! While fishing in IF, another priest set up camp next to me.. know what happens? Ironjaw few casts in, and a few later, 25 fish achievement..
Have hope!Azaguth, February 2009:
Wow, ironjaw prior to 25 fish...
I've caught Crafty twice (both on ally characters, different characters, neither was max level at the time so horde are always a problem). I'd guess the loot table is about the same for both phased and "live" orgrimmar.
On my lock I caught him after 12 hours of fishing and only 4 deaths (not too shabby, pre-wrath, post bc, level 43-ish at the time).
Second time was while training fishing on my DK. I went from 225-300 and then fished for an additional 6 hours to get ironjaw, then did some fishing training, then went from 300-375 +4 more hours of fishing to get old crafty.
Then I worked from 375-450 working on coins. I hit 450 about 3 or 4 hours before my last coin, long after the 1k fish achievement (think I got that somewhere between 225-300 skill).
Grrr! He IS crafty!
Ladoran, October 2008:
Hello! So I was fishing in Orgrimmar for about 2 hours last night behind the waterfall. Got a couple green items, some leatherworking plans.... no Crafty. I was bored and about to quit so I went and stood out in the open and fished some more. Strangely enough people just kept running past, no one bothered me. 10 minutes later a little orc comes running up to me and starts to fish next to me. About 7 casts later HE catches Crafty and I see his achievment box pop up!! I /clap and /cheer for him and he /cheer back. We kept fishing for another 10 minutes before I said /bye and left. How frustrating is that!!
Mitzy, October 2008:
Probably everyone who has tried catching Crafty, including me, feels your pain. Too bad on my server the hordies aren't that friendly...
Warla, October 2008:
Took me 22 hours to fish crafty..
So with 2 hours you just started....
Trammel, October 2008:
Took me 10 hours and close to 3000 cast to catch Old Crafty. Took wife under 400 :(
becchi, October 2008:
17 and a half hours, 2344 catches, killed by hordies 10 times. One Old Crafty. Hurrah!
Orgrimmar fishing?
Kessira, April 2009:
I had an interesting issue while trying to fish for Old Crafty, and I was wondering if anyone else had this problem. As an alliance player, I went to Orgrimmar, in particular the Vally of Spirits. Hiding behind the house there, I cast my line several times, and never caught anything. (Skill 260ish) The friend that went with me was just learning to fish, and she caught nothing but gray trash. No actual fish came up for either of us, but we were both getting skillups. The loot window would pop, but it'd be empty for me, or gray trash for her.
So I bugged another buddy with 450 skill, and he had the same issue I did. Loot window pops, nothing in it.
At this point, I'm scratching my head. What's going on? Now here's the really strange part.
I had a friend that plays a horde alt, so I asked him to see if he could catch fish in the same area. He gets there, and starts fishing, has no issue. Starts wandering around looking for me, and when he gets to where I'm standing....I'm not there. I can see myself on my screen, but I can't see him and he can't see me.
Any ideas?
Thalen, April 2009:
From your description, I'd guess that you weren't in the 'phased' version of Org (the one where you port there from...was it Stormwind? It's been a while...). They removed the ability to catch anything while you're in that. So just to make sure, were you all in the normal 'walk in the front door and avoid all the guards' version?
In the phased version, there are no hostile guards, and you won't see any Horde players, so there's no real risk involved, and I think that's why Blizz removed fishing from there. But if this is happening in the 'real world' mode, I'd have to think there's some kind of bug going on...
Kessira, April 2009:
Yep, normal version. Not phased or anything. Played a lovely game of "Escape the Horde Guards" to get there.
I did turn in a ticket on it, we'll see what the result of that is. I'll let you know when I know.
Neh, April 2009:
Hi,
I have been fishing there for 2 weeks, finally opened a ticket. Spoke to a GM today, apparently it's bugged and ONLY horde can catch Old Crafty.Kessira, April 2009:
So what are we Alliance players supposed to do? Just suffer? Why even bother having an achievement if we can't get it? Grrrr......
I just got a note in my game mailbox that said they'd responded to my email account. I've checked several times, no email. Not real happy about that. I'll continue to post as I get more info.
Old Crafty is now teasing me
RCSI, December 2008:
I set out to catch the old fish, and after a few hundred casts, I did. I kept him for a while, then once my bank started to fill up, I tossed him. Now this old fish wont leave me alone! Whenever I go to catch a Baby Crocolisk for Crocolisks in the City, the fish will, every now and then, pop up and the funny part is, I am unable to loot him. What a mean little fish.
Edit: I really should use search next time.
Vesalius, April 2009:
Pheeeew!
Just caught Crafty, 5 seconds before getting ganked for the 5th time today :)
Not in front of my own pc so cant paste Fishingbuddy stats, but I'm im in between 1500 and 1600 catches.
Next time I go to Org, I'll bring a weapon instead of a fishing pole!!
-Keep your chin ups out there - Crafty can't escape you forever
oxman112, August 2009:
600 + casts later, finally just got him. Gave the random guy fishing next to me 50g cause I was so happy.
Usagija, August 2009:
I used the quest that ports you to an uninhabited Ogrimmar, so it was slightly unsettling to be the only person in a capital city, even if it is horde at that. I caught Craft in 7 casts. I was so geared up to just stay there all day too what with everyone else's luck. GL to everyone else in the future!
Fishing ol crafty old crafty
anthonyfitz, April 2009:
I am trying to fish old crafty after patch 3.1.1 and all i get is a empty loot box. I got 410 fishing using nats lucky fishing pole(25) and the fish attactor lore(100). I have the quest for the crocs in the city i see that come in the loot bag only once in a while. What am I doing wrong? the only other quest is fate up against your will.
Antonine, April 2009:
anthonyfitz wrote:
I am trying to fish old crafty after patch 3.1.1 and all i get is a empty loot box. I got 410 fishing using nats lucky fishing pole(25) and the fish attactor lore(100). I have the quest for the crocs in the city i see that come in the loot bag only once in a while. What am I doing wrong? the only other quest is fate up against your will.
You're cheating. They wanted the pvp aspect to be involved in getting the enemies fish, something you don't have to worry about in phased Orgrimmar. That's all you're doing wrong. Go back to normal Org and everything will be good (well, besides the icebolts and knives, but that's just how it's supposed to work)
anakhahawk, May 2009:
Caught Old Crafty last night. I've only been fishing for him if i've ported to check the AH and my hearth stone is still on CD. Last night I was ready to port back and decided i'd cast one last time. Up he pops :)
Parasitic, August 2009:
Caught Old Crafty today, on the 38th cast.
Was using/wearing the following when I caught him:
Weather Beaten Fishing Hat
Jeweled Fishing Pole
No lureHope this helps! and I hope I get this lucky on Old Ironjaw :(
fishing- old ironjaw, old crafty
reddrake, September 2008:
I posted this in the WoW suggestion forum:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043245384&sid=1-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
# Topic Fishing- old crafty, old ironjawSince a lot of people will be getting these obscure fish due to the added achievements, I was thinking it would be cool if they were changed to be one handed instead of specifically offhand items. In that same line of thinking it would be cool if they had some kind of a 2 set bonus proc like, "Chance on hit- target is afflicted with walleye vision."
Walleye vision would place a debuff on the target that would make all other NPCs and players look like frogs or maybe change that players view to be distorted like its namesake.
Post some more cool procs these fish could do.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------If you guys think this is cool post your ideas. Thanks!
Harps, October 2008:
took me 4661 casts
was a real pain to get, but with that salty title coming out. It was worth every second.
Oberweiss, October 2008:
Harps wrote:
The Old Crafty and Old Ironjaw catches are not requirements for the Salty title. I thought they were, too, until I re-read El's achievements section.took me 4661 casts
was a real pain to get, but with that salty title coming out. It was worth every second.
