Pools

Lists pool/school types. It shows pool locations and commonly caught fish.

Since patch 3.3, you will never catch junk from pools. All pools can be fished at skill 1. However, in Draenor, the higher your personal skill, the more likely you are to catch larger sizes of fish. For more information about pool fishing, read the Pools and Schools chapter.

Pool (School)Common CatchZones and Areas
Abyssal Gulper SchoolAbyssal Gulper EelInland: Spires of Arak
Albino Cavefish SchoolAlbino CavefishInland: Deepholm
Blackbelly Mudfish SchoolBlackbelly MudfishInland: Uldum
Blackwater Whiptail SchoolBlackwater WhiptailInland: Talador
Blind Lake Sturgeon SchoolBlind Lake SturgeonInland: Shadowmoon Valley (Draenor)
Bloodsail Wreckage PoolIron Bound TrunkCoastal: The Cape of Stranglethorn (General), Northern Stranglethorn (General)
Bluefish SchoolIcefin BluefishInland: Nagrand (Outland) (except Forge Camp Hate)
Borean Man O' War SchoolCoastal: Borean Tundra
Brackish Mixed SchoolInland: Terokkar Forest (Rivers), Zangarmarsh
Brew Frenzied Emperor SalmonEmperor SalmonFish of the Day: Valley of the Four Winds (Stormstout Brewery)
Crane Yolk PoolSilver GobyWherever you Throw: Krasarang Wilds
Crowded Redbelly MandarinRedbelly MandarinFish of the Day: Townlong Steppes (Inland) (Fields of Niuzao)
Deep Sea Monsterbelly SchoolCoastal: The Frozen Sea
Deepsea Sagefish SchoolDeepsea SagefishCoastal: Twilight Highlands (General)
Dragonfin Angelfish SchoolInland: Dragonblight
Emperor Salmon SchoolEmperor SalmonInland: Krasarang Wilds, Townlong Steppes (Inland), Valley of the Four Winds
Fangtooth Herring SchoolInland and Brackish: Howling Fjord
Fat Sleeper SchoolFat SleeperInland: Nagrand (Draenor) (General)
Fathom Eel SwarmFathom EelCoastal: Tol Barad, Uldum
Fire Ammonite SchoolFire AmmoniteInland: Frostfire Ridge, Nagrand (Draenor) (Hallvalor)
Firefin Snapper SchoolFirefin Snapper
Floating Debris PoolTightly Sealed Trunk
Floating Wreckage PoolMithril Bound Trunk
Giant Mantis Shrimp SwarmGiant Mantis ShrimpCoastal: Dread Wastes (Coastal), Isle of Giants, Isle of the Thunder King, The Jade Forest (Coastal), Krasarang Wilds, Kun-Lai Summit (Coastal), Timeless Isle, Townlong Steppes (Coastal)
Glacial Salmon SchoolInland: Grizzly Hills
Glassfin Minnow SchoolGlassfin MinnowInland: Crystalsong Forest
Glimmering Jewel Danio PoolJewel DanioFish of the Day: Timeless Isle (Mossgreen Lake)
Glowing Jade LungfishJade LungfishFish of the Day: The Jade Forest (Inland) (Enchanted Woods of the Lost)
Greater Sagefish SchoolRaw Greater SagefishInland: Arathi Highlands (General), Blasted Lands (Tainted Forest), Desolace, Dustwallow Marsh, Eastern Plaguelands, Feralas, The Hinterlands, Moonglade, Stonetalon Mountains, Un'Goro Crater (General), Western Plaguelands
Highland Guppy SchoolHighland GuppyInland: Twilight Highlands (General)
Highland Mixed SchoolFurious CrawdadInland: Terokkar Forest (Lakes) (lakes Blackwind, Ere'Noru and Jorune)
Imperial Manta Ray SchoolCoastal: Borean Tundra, Dragonblight, Grizzly Hills, Howling Fjord
Jade Lungfish SchoolJade LungfishInland: The Jade Forest (Inland)
Jawless Skulker SchoolJawless SkulkerInland: Gorgrond
Jewel Danio SchoolJewel DanioInland: Timeless Isle
Krasarang Paddlefish SchoolKrasarang PaddlefishInland: Krasarang Wilds, Valley of the Four Winds
Lagoon PoolGiant Draenor ClamCoastal: Frostfire Ridge (Frostchill Lagoon)
Large Pool of Brew Frenzied Emperor SalmonEmperor SalmonFish of the Day: Valley of the Four Winds (Stormstout Brewery)
Large Pool of Crowded Redbelly MandarinRedbelly MandarinFish of the Day: Townlong Steppes (Inland) (Fields of Niuzao)
Large Pool of Glimmering Jewel Danio PoolJewel DanioFish of the Day: Timeless Isle (Mossgreen Lake)
Large Pool of Glowing Jade LungfishJade LungfishFish of the Day: The Jade Forest (Inland) (Enchanted Woods of the Lost)
Large Pool of Sha-Touched SpinefishSpinefishFish of the Day: Kun-Lai Summit (Sha-Touched) (Binan Village Coast)
Large Pool of Tiger Gourami SlushTiger GouramiFish of the Day: Kun-Lai Summit (Inland) (Master Snowdrift's Pagoda)
Large Swarm of Migrated Reef OctopusReef OctopusFish of the Day: The Jade Forest (Coastal) (Sri-La Village)
Large Swarm of Panicked PaddlefishKrasarang PaddlefishFish of the Day: Krasarang Wilds (Krasari Falls)
Large Tangled Mantis Shrimp ClusterGiant Mantis ShrimpFish of the Day: Dread Wastes (Coastal) (Gokk'lok Shallows)
Mixed Ocean SchoolCoastal: The Cape of Stranglethorn (General), Northern Stranglethorn (General)
Moonglow Cuttlefish SchoolCoastal: The Frozen Sea
Mountain Trout SchoolMountain TroutInland: Mount Hyjal (General)
Mudfish SchoolFigluster's MudfishInland: Nagrand (Outland) (except Forge Camp Hate)
Musselback Sculpin SchoolInland: Borean Tundra
Nettlefish SchoolInland: Sholazar Basin
Oily Blackmouth SchoolOily Blackmouth
Pool of BloodMostly-eaten Bonescale SnapperWherever you Jump: Borean Tundra
Pool of FireVolatile FireInland: Mount Hyjal (Throne of Flame), Twilight Highlands (Cannon's Inferno)
Pure WaterMote of WaterInland: Nagrand (Outland) (except Forge Camp Hate)
Redbelly Mandarin SchoolRedbelly MandarinInland: Townlong Steppes (Inland)
Reef Octopus SwarmReef OctopusCoastal: Dread Wastes (Coastal), Isle of Giants, Isle of the Thunder King, The Jade Forest (Coastal), Krasarang Wilds, Kun-Lai Summit (Coastal), Timeless Isle, Townlong Steppes (Coastal)
Sagefish SchoolRaw SagefishInland: Ashenvale, Azshara (General), The Cape of Stranglethorn (General), Darkshore (Freshwater), Duskwood, Hillsbrad Foothills, Loch Modan, Northern Barrens (except Oasis), Northern Stranglethorn (General), Redridge Mountains, Silverpine Forest, Westfall, Wetlands
Savage Piranha PoolSavage PiranhaInland: Ashran (Combat)
School of DarterGolden DarterInland: Terokkar Forest (Rivers)
School of Deviate FishDeviate FishInland: Northern Barrens (Oasis)
School of Northern SalmonNorthern SalmonCoastal: Grizzly Hills (east coast)
School of Red SnapperRed SnapperCoastal: Azuremyst Isle (Ammen Ford)
School of Tasty Reef FishTasty Reef FishCoastal: Howling Fjord (south of Isle of Spears)
Schooner Wreckage PoolWatertight Trunk
Sea Scorpion SchoolSea ScorpionCoastal: Frostfire Ridge, Nagrand (Draenor) (General), Shadowmoon Valley (Draenor), Spires of Arak, Talador
Sha-Touched SpinefishSpinefishFish of the Day: Kun-Lai Summit (Sha-Touched) (Binan Village Coast)
Shipwreck Debris (Cataclysm)Sealed Crate (Cataclysm)Coastal: Tol Barad
Shipwreck Debris (Darkmoon)Coastal: Darkmoon Island
Shipwreck Debris (Pandaria)Rusty Shipwreck DebrisCoastal: Krasarang Wilds
Spinefish SchoolSpinefishInland: Dread Wastes (Inland), Kun-Lai Summit (Sha-Touched), Townlong Steppes (Niuzao)
Sporefish SchoolZangarian SporefishInland: Zangarmarsh
Steam Pump FlotsamInland: Zangarmarsh
Stonescale Eel SwarmStonescale EelCoastal: Blasted Lands (Coastal), Swamp of Sorrows, Tanaris, Thousand Needles
Strange PoolRaw Greater SagefishInland: Coilfang Reservoir (Serpentshrine Cavern)
Swarm of Panicked PaddlefishKrasarang PaddlefishFish of the Day: Krasarang Wilds (Krasari Falls)
Tangled Mantis Shrimp ClusterGiant Mantis ShrimpFish of the Day: Dread Wastes (Coastal) (Gokk'lok Shallows)
Tiger Gourami SchoolTiger GouramiInland: Kun-Lai Summit (except Coastal), The Veiled Stair
Tiger Gourami SlushTiger GouramiFish of the Day: Kun-Lai Summit (Inland) (Master Snowdrift's Pagoda)
Waterlogged Wreckage PoolIron Bound Trunk

Pools that can no longer be found: Abundant Firefin Snapper School, Abundant Oily Blackmouth School, Algaefin Rockfish School, Barrelhead Goby School, Golden Carp School, Lesser Oily Blackmouth School, Lesser Sagefish School, Muddy Churning Water, Oil Spill, Patch of Elemental Water, Rockfin Grouper School, School of Fish, School of Tastyfish, Sparse Firefin Snapper School, Sparse Oily Blackmouth School, Teeming Firefin Snapper School and Teeming Oily Blackmouth School.

Comments about Pools

Below are readers' comments about "Pools":

Biggest concentration of pools for turtle mount?

  • fredje222, April 2009

    So the new turtle mount will be fishable from any pool in northrend, completly random...
    Like evry good fisher i'm gonna fish like hell till i get it :p but i was wondering where the biggest concentration of pools is for fishing it...

    So what do you think?

  • el, April 2009

    I suspect the biggest (closest) concentration is in the Frozen Sea, just south of Borean Tundra. Sholazar Basin also has a lot of pools, fairly close together. Both are higher skill areas, which will tend to reduce the number of people fishing.

    Of course there are locations such as Lake Kum'uya (near Warsong Hold in Borean Tundra) where pools generally respawn fast enough to allow one angler to go round and round the same lake. So you might not need a huge concentration. Likewise, it is reasonably effective to fly round the coast of Northrend, or along the rivers of Grizzly Hills.

    There are other things to consider, such as who else is fishing, the value of the normal fish you are (mostly) catching, and whether you can (mentally) survive fishing the same handful of pools for days. Personally (over 6,000 pool catches so far - and no turtle), I have to keep on moving to new areas, just to break up the boredom...

  • fredje222, April 2009

    tbh, i'm kinda glad you have 6000 catches and still no turtle
    how harder to catch, how cooler it will be to have :p

    thanks for the good idea's, seems their are enough good spots and moving around will be needed idd if i dont wanna go crazy :p

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  • InfectedZombie, April 2009

    i have the turtle mount from the tcg, he probably wont see the light of day once i fish this up!

  • Dethwolf, April 2009

    hmm yes offshore is probably best place to fish..until everyone reads our posts lol

  • fredje222, April 2009

    meh, most of you are us servers anyway :p

  • Sauce, April 2009

    So, brace yourself for the hate..... I just fished up the turtle mount. I went into sholazar to do the fishing daily (ghostfish), saw a nettlefish pool, 5 casts later.... TURTLE.

    One, this mount is not nearly as big as I thought it was. Two, I'm a little disappointed because I thought it was going to be a challenge. That said, I'm moving slowly through Dalaran on a cool new mount!

  • Azaguth, April 2009

    I hate you.

    No, honestly, grats!

    Too bad my server JUST came up.

  • Boothby, April 2009

    I fished mine up about an hour ago in the little lake by Westwind Refugee Camp. That area has a pretty good concentration of pools and rarely anyone there.

  • Nonzor, April 2009

    Woot! I just fished up the turtle mount in Borean Tundra from an Imperial Manta Ray school. (I spent over an hour fishing in The Frozen Sea and had a bag of cuttlefish and monsterbelly, so was just fooling around looking for other pools.) Of course I mounted immediately - and was pleased to see that while riding underwater I didn't get a breath bar ... I wonder if that will change?

    Happy casting!

  • Sauce, April 2009

    So..... is the drop on the turtle mount abnormally high for some reason? If all of us got one this quickly, and it took El 6000 casts to get nothing, maybe something is wrong in the coding.

  • Batter, April 2009

    Fished up my turtle mount about a half hour ago in Borean fishing for Musselback Sculpin at around the 350 catch mark. I was shocked (and pretty pumped) that it dropped so soon!

    Good luck everyone!

  • el, April 2009

    Congratulations and thanks for the reports. Keep in mind that random loot is random. So many people are trying to catch the Sea Turtle, it is inevitable a few people will be lucky.

  • shuuya, April 2009

    I got my sexy turtle from Glassfin Minnow pools in Crystalsong Forest. I love this thing. :D

  • samboda, April 2009

    Secretsauce wrote:

    So..... is the drop on the turtle mount abnormally high for some reason? If all of us got one this quickly, and it took El 6000 casts to get nothing, maybe something is wrong in the coding.

    It's a random drop with a low drop %, some will get it after a few catches, others after thousands, and others will never get it. And dont forget that this is a site about wow fishing so u will see other ppl posting that they got the turtle.

  • Meraxes, April 2009

    Glacial Salmon pools in Grizzly were going to be my place. The salmon sells well and is used for fish feasts. Might as well do something productive while trying for the turtle.

  • Suran, April 2009

    Got my turtle after 127 Salmons in Grizzly Hills.

  • Dethwolf, April 2009

    Hmmm none of the turtles so far from what I see here and on the wow forums were from the frozen sea so far.........I figured the pools where u can see the giant turtle boat is the LOGICAL place to catch turtle mount

    Sigh 450 casts last night...I'll try to fishfor an hour or so tonight out there again

  • fredje222, April 2009

    fishing next to warsong hold, going fine, lots of pools

  • Valkari, April 2009

    Just got mine next to warsong hold. Did you mean you were trying there but haven't got yet? If so, keep up hope! :)

    Something interesting though, the other hunter in my guild got one just minutes later, in a completely different spot. Is it just not very rare or is the random number generator just not very good? :P I assume it makes a random number based on the current time, so maybe that had something to do with it...

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3.3--no trash in fishing pools?

  • GormanGhaste, October 2009

    I haven't seen anyone mention this on this site yet, so I'll link the source:

    http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11155811788&sid=1&pageNo=1#0

    "Don't forget, in patch 3.3.0 you never catch trash from fishing pools, regardless of skill. "

    What does this mean? And why would anyone need to skill up fishing, if pool fishing was always successful?

  • el, October 2009

    I assume it means that with skill 1 you can successfully catch fish from any pool anywhere - even places like The Frozen Sea.

    Update: It's true. Skill 1-6: 5 Glassfin Minnow from a Glassfin Minnow School. 0 Trash. The next 5 casts into open water all yielded junk.

    This means the new Kalu'ak Fishing Derby requires fishing skill 1. Also opens up some interesting new options for leveling fishing - a direct choice between speed and gaining valuable fish.

  • Robodin, October 2009

    There goes the fishing market, if any schmuck with 1 fishing skill can fish up mats for whatever food they need :/

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  • Trigot, October 2009

    This is horrible its just another easy button to lame out the game. Its no longer going to be anything to be proud of because its somthing a lvl 1 can go and do with no fishing skill.

  • DarkMime64, October 2009

    So we level fishing now for... what purpose exactly?

    I'm assuming, then, that a character with 1 skill in Cooking can make a Fish Feast, too.
    And someone with 1 skill in First Aid can make Frostweave Bandages.

    No? Oh..

  • el, October 2009

    DarkMime64 wrote:

    So we level fishing now for... what purpose exactly?

    To be able to equip that Arcanite Fishing Pole, which gives a +40 bonus to skill, which you need to... erm, hold on. There are still fish that cannot be caught from pools - the Dalaran fountain, Old Azeroth fish used to level cooking, etc. But it's hard to answer your question.

    I'd rephrase the question: Why have fishing skill at all?

  • Gizel, October 2009

    el wrote:

    DarkMime64 wrote:

    So we level fishing now for... what purpose exactly?

    To be able to equip that Arcanite Fishing Pole, which gives a +40 bonus to skill, which you need to... erm, hold on. There are still fish that cannot be caught from pools - the Dalaran fountain, Old Azeroth fish used to level cooking, etc. But it's hard to answer your question.
    I'd rephrase the question: Why have fishing skill at all?

    Djakar.

  • mikado, October 2009

    Was fishing very hard to begin with? Did it need all the past and future nerfs it's received? Don't get me wrong, I am excited about the tournament, but making it so that anyone can participate just by clicking "learn fishing"? I think that's a bit much. I don't see the point of this change.

    Next up: mine titanium with lvl1 mining skill and herb in Storm Peaks with lvl1 herbalism skill. But no, these are primary professions and too many folks would throw a fit if that happened. But fishing is just some trash secondary profession and noone will care, amirite?

  • Averiy, October 2009

    The three fish required for a fish feast can be pool caught, it's true, but the most efficient way to catch them is in Wintergrasp, where they are caught from open water in a near equal ratio, so that you don't have many fish of any one kind left over. This you cannot do without fishing skill.

  • Kamaria, October 2009

    This is all so depressing
    :(

  • Al, October 2009

    /agree

  • Utopia, October 2009

    Sadly it seems we anglers are becoming another victim of the dumbing-down in the name of accessibility which is sweeping through wow......

  • Feiwong, October 2009

    Guys...

    I've opened a suggestion thread complaining about this change... so if anyone wants to support it, please do

    http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20677232908&postId=206753341510&sid=1#2

    Best regards,
    Gustavo

  • el, October 2009

    Here are some more discussions on the official forums:

    http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20677230833
    http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11155812409

    Pool fishing involves moving around, looking for specific things in the water. Pools are the closest we currently have to the Cataclysm method of fishing mentioned at BlizzCon (hooking specific fish you can see swimming). Encouraging pool fishing in this patch makes a lot of sense. In fact, it may be an attempt to demonstrate that a more interactive method of fishing can be popular. Although people here tend to mostly fish from pools, over all players open water is much more popular. So trying to make the least popular aspect of fishing more popular might be logical overall, even if we see things differently.

    Of course leveling fishing skill (and specifically leveling alongside cooking) appears (same source) to account for a significant proportion of fishing activity. There's a risk of simply making the whole cycle pointless: Nobody needs to level fishing skill, so nobody fishes. Rationally, you'd counter that by arguing that if people didn't want to fish, they would not have levelled fishing skill. However Joanna Average WoW player transpires to be surprisingly irrational. "That 1/450 bar needs to be filled!" "One day I'll want to farm Mr. Pinchy..." I'm sure we've all been there, even if we find a reason to justify our actions. A superficial (or worse, pure economist) understanding of that irrationality is a dangerous thing.

    Traditionally the role of fishing skill has been to test patience. Patience is the main requirement for fishing. And requiring 10 or 15 hours of fishing before an angler can catch the good stuff, is what separated "us from them". It's also classic EverQuest-style grinding, that used to be common in WoW: Do the same thing over-and-over, before you can do what you actually wanted to do.

    Patch 3.1 started to dilute the test of patience. 3.3 dilutes it so far we're struggling to see a purpose.

    The basic problem for fishing (and all WoW professions) is that there was never a hard part that followed the "pointless grind" of skilling-up. So removing the need for skill means that everyone can do it immediately. Consequently, there's nothing exclusive or special for anglers who are prepared to put a lot of work into the profession.

    Or is there? Ah, but there is! At least for fishing. Take a step back and look at this forum. Or perhaps earlier in the year, when things were busier: The most popular topics are about catching the Sea Turtle, Pinchy, One that Got Away. Listen to the furvor with which people defend (or are annoyed by) the Salty title. All things that are a serious test of patience, and provide the angler with something to care about, something exclusive that is valued among those they play with.

    Now, there are all kind of issues with this form of non-monetary, individualistic consumerism. And I suspect we'll eventually laugh at the paradox of how Blizzard's attempt to counter inequalities that exist outside of the game (by blocking Real Money Trading), has actually created one of the most unequal communities within the game (by trying to prevent the trade of anything perceived to have value). But that's a philosophical discussion for another time. We are where we are. And right now we're in a land where titles, mounts, and other apparently useless things have the greatest sense of value.

    Why not go further? No computer-incremented skills whatsoever. Instead (if fishing still is a test of human patience) add far more apparently useless, but rare, things that take patience to acquire. (Rare doesn't imply strictly random - rare but less variable - for example a Sea Turtle might take 4,000-5,000 casts, not 1-~25,000 casts - excessive variability causes frustration as the mind either can't understand the pattern, or feels the pattern is unfair.) Or perhaps associate fishing with something other than patience.

    There are lots of possibilities following this line of thought: But perhaps the value of fishing shouldn't be thought of in terms of the ability to catch buff food. Increasingly, the real prestige is a Turtle-mounted Salty with a Crawdad in tow. Or similar.

  • Durth, October 2009

    Having paid for 2 epic flyers and a mechano hog just by selling food Im not to excited about this. On the other hand though its not like its really that easy to fish for this stuff without being attacked at lower levels. A level 1fishing glacial salmon pools is going to get hit by a bear or the opposing faction at the lumber mill. Lloot crazed divers are at the sculpin lake in Borean Tundra. Nettlefish ahve all sorts of animals runnnig around their pools. Im just not sure how this will all shake out. I dont like professions being easy. Going through the bs to get them leveled was the only thing keeping the market at a certain level. A lot of people just wouldnt bother but now its always getting easier and easier. Plus it makes me feel old and grumpy :p

  • Durth, October 2009

    Oh I forgot to mention the 5 tab Guild bank and all the gold spent tipping other people for enchants and gemming and such. Some people laugh when you put cooking in trade but I think most os us here know better.

  • Gned, November 2009

    I'm feeling pretty abused over the new fishing changes. Mostly because my invested time and efforts are at least partially meaningless now.

  • Leny, November 2009

    I find this to be a horrible idea..... two things that kind of set me out in my guild was my habit for paying huge amounts for non-combat pets and fishing

  • Shreda, January 2010

    THIS SUCKS! I SPENT WEEKS TRAINING THAT SKILL AND NOW WE DON'T NEED IT?! WHAT WAS THE POINT IN THIS! WHY DID I SPEND 2 GOLD ON LURES. I HATE YOU BLIZZARD!

    Sorry, I had to do something dramatic

  • Renetta, January 2010

    I don't really have a strong attitude in many ways. Yes Salty is my preferred title because I like fishing and it's the perfect title for a squid (I mean draenei). But I actually disagree that fishing is becoming less patient driven. Getting fishing to 450 takes not a lot of patience. There is constant short-term reward (oh another tick, uh here is something funny I fished up, do old world pool achievement to break the monotony, visit nat pagle etc etc).

    Rather this is being replaced with things that for some, though not all requires a lot of patience. The one that didn't get away took me over 7.5k casts (I think the general believe is that the average is around 1k) if I remember correctly and made me vow to never fish for an extremely low drop achievement again. Well I didn't stick to it. Now I'm at way over 12k on the turtle without luck (here it seems that people converge on a believe that the average is 4-5k) and patient permitting I may fish indefinitely without any reward whatsoever. So yeah rare _is_ random, else I'd have both much earlier.

    I for one have never ever felt my patience tested so much as in the new system, not the old. But yeah, some may have been more lucky and hence don't even know that patience may be required. I certainly don't complain that I got my old ironjaw on my very first cast, that indeed didn't take any patience to do. That said, for many of us getting all fishing achievements is way harder than doing the old fishing skill leveling was. If someone doesn't understand that you simply got lucky.

    I like the BB contest. This is not a test of patience. It's a test of preparation, planning, swift decision making and some luck. But luck is but one factor and one can work to bend the odds one way and many who do the contest will see their fish counts go up with experience. Before I won I had two contests where I was 1 fish short - that's the margin of error the contest had when you are prepared and do all the right things. The new fishing contest is just Vegas though and I am only happy it's in the game because it at least doubles up on the chance to get a turtle as well.

    In fact the relationship is reversed now. If you are unlucky you need extreme patience with limited short-term reward. Yes if you are lucky you need no patience at all. So if the complaint is that fishing moves away from patience to luck I might actually agree. But from how it sounds there will be some skill added to the equation and frankly I'd rather work on things I can control than fish 10k pools for nothing at all (well except the ability to completely destroy the value of fish in the AH for a good while).

    So yes I hate the new system, nothing resembles disillusion more than weeks of solid fishing without any sign of reward or any promise that reward will ever come - but making skill leveling easier now and possibly removing it later doesn't move me at all. In fact I welcome it.

    Ultimately in terms of game design as a whole, the EQ model is dead. WoW has discovered that the time people have is constant, so if you add new stuff you have to obsolete old mechanisms to keep things to do in balance with people's time. Else the game becomes inaccessible for newcomers because they'd have to catch up 5 years worth of gaming to be where the original population got. A phenomenon not unfamiliar in EQ, and while relished by some, really a bad idea to keep a game community together. The WoW model is sustainable, but yes requires that people accept change and that old way to get to X will be replaced by a new way to get to X that may in fact be much faster.

    MMOs are about renewal. Yes we farmed 1 year of Molten Core 3 days a week for T1 sets. They are worthless now. One can focus on that and how unfair it is that people now get T9 for running heroics not requiring the wipes and patience and learning, or one can recognize that it was fun while doing it and look forward and appreciate the new content that comes ones way.

    On Cataclysm fishing I reserve judgment until I have seen it, but looking backwards won't be how I'll be judging it.

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Nat Pagle's Friendship: The Fish ARE in Pools!

  • Clawmarks, October 2012

    On the page about Nat Pagle's Friendship, under Strategy, El wrote:

    "These Pagle fish cannot (at the time of writing) be caught from pools, only open water"

    I'm happy to report that today, I caught a Flying Tiger Gourami in a Redbelly Mandarin pool in the Jade Forest. What a relief it was to see I could stick to fishing in pools of fish that I needed for my cooking and I would not miss out on these dailies with each cast! <3

  • el, October 2012

    I'll keep on testing this, but I'm sceptical because I have a couple of thousand pool catches since release (and thousands more on test), and have never caught a Pagle fish from a pool.

    At the risk of sounding prematurely dismissive, one possible explanation for what you saw is phasing: Several parts of the Jade Forest (especially in the center) are phased. In Pandaria, pools exist simultaneously in all phases at once. Consequently a pool can be emptied by an angler in a different phase, who cannot themselves be seen. Unfortunately the visual update process lags, while the catch is instantly determined by what the server expects you to be seeing. So one can have a situation where the catch appears to come from a pool, but the pool was actually emptied a few seconds earlier by an angler in a different phase - and the server gives you an open water fish, while you're still looking at a pool. It is a rare occurrence, and combined with a Pagle fish is even rarer, but I'll mention it as a possibility.

    Edit: See update below - as of patch 5.1 these fish are caught in pools.

  • Dajo, October 2012

    10/08/12 5PM

    Caught a Tiger Gourami from the Dojani River while I was on the Angler quest 'Shocking!'.

    So these can in fact be caught from quest locations!

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  • Clawmarks, October 2012

    El, I concede your point. The possibility that cross-phasing pools can be visually deceiving is frustrating to say the least. If you and others have fished thousands, then statistical anomalies like my catch are bound to occur but cannot be said to be significant enough to make such a claim. I recently finished off a Reef Octopus pool, and let my last bobber stay for a catch after the pool had been spent. The immediate catch after the pool's disappearance was a Mimic Octopus, and, had the visual lagged, I would have jumped to the same conclusion as before.

    I remember I once (and only once) got a skill up from a gray level profession production. In the seven years I have played, including maxing all the professions available, and some of those multiple times, it has never happened again. Perform enough tests, and odd blips in the data will occur.

    Thanks for being professional, El. :)

  • Scornn, October 2012

    Just caught a Flying Tiger Gourami from a Tiger Gourami pool on the Spring road (4th cast), right where you take the quest to travel through the tunnel to K-L Summit.

  • el, November 2012

    So as of patch 5.1, these fish are now in pools. From Jonathan LeCraft:

    "The special fish that Nat Pagle craves can now be caught from fishing pools as well."

    I assume this means catches from pools found in appropriate areas of water. For example, Spinefish Alpha from Spinefish School, not from all pools in Pandaria. Confirmations would be great - this is a time-consuming change to test!

  • Madruga, November 2012

    Came rushing here because I got a Flying Tiger Gourami from a pool today! Only to see that this was a change in patch 5.1 *blushes*

    But anyway, I got not 1, but 2 Flying Tiger Gouramis from Krasarang Paddlefish pools in Valley of Four Winds today. The first was from a pool right next to the spotwhere Galleon spawns. I went to deliver the quest, and 15 minutes later, another one popped up from another Krasarang Paddlefish pool, this time to the left of Stormstout Brewery.

    For the record, it was 6:00 PM my server time, my fishing is maxed out, I was not using any fishing gear, but was using the Pandaren Fisherman buff.

  • Noodleguitar, December 2012

    At level 87, I was fishing in Tiger Gourami pools and I caught a Flying Tiger Gourami. Still this level, I was able to go to Nat Pagle and turn in the fish and I got the full rewards (reputation and Valor points).

  • Truffula, December 2012

    Has anyone caught anything but the Flying Tiger Gourami in pools? It's all I've seen mentioned and all I've caught in pools from the Vale.

  • el, December 2012

    Catches from pools broadly mimic open water: Flying Tiger Gourami in all the inland pools except Spinefish School, which contain Spinefish Alpha, with Mimic Octopus in Giant Mantis Shrimp Swarm and Reef Octopus Swarm. Quests require level 85 or above.

  • Tikicarol, December 2012

    Caught a "Flying Tiger Gourami" from a pool inside that cave on the far west coast of Townlong Steeps while on the guest that takes you there. It was only my 3 or 4th cast hence my surprise. I screamed "Oh My GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD" In real life :D, then came right here to see that in fact it's kind of common.
    Oh well......

  • Noodleguitar, December 2012

    It seems that using the Ancient Pandaren Charm does not increase your chances to catch one of the rare fish from pools. This screenshot shows I caught 2 Reef Octopus along with the Mimic Octopus, so therefore even if the Charm procs, the loot still has an equal chance for a rare to be included.

  • salty stratt, December 2012

    not sure about this... the first rare fish i ever caught was a flying tiger out of an emperor salmon pool near halfhill right after MoP went live. i didn't even know there were rare fish up until then... that said, that was the only rare i've ever caught from a pool.

  • Harbin, December 2012

    I catch all 3 each day from pools, I do however get bored with the Spinefish Alpha so just open fish him sometimes, seems to be the best way to make money along the way, however can be very time consuming

  • Harbin, December 2012

    I catch all 3 each day from pools, I do however get bored with the Spinefish Alpha so just open fish him sometimes, seems to be the best way to make money along the way, however can be very time consuming

  • belgal, December 2012

    I was happily surprised when I caught 2 Flying Tiger Gourami from the pools in Dojani River in Karasang Wilds today. Leveling alt fishing AND rep = WIN!

  • Druegar, January 2013

    You can have two Unique items? I didn't think that was possible.

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Northrend Pools Distribution Map

  • Balazar, January 2010

    I note the link takes to you a web page, and the download link on the web page is to a .rar file. Perhaps I'm a tad bit paranoid, but I would prefer a straight up image file.

  • Mightfish, January 2010

    Balazar wrote:

    I note the link takes to you a web page, and the download link on the web page is to a .rar file. Perhaps I'm a tad bit paranoid, but I would prefer a straight up image file.

    Thank you for your comments.
    Now, you can direct view a picture.

  • Mightfish, January 2010

    Updated to version 1.1 !

  • Christhina, February 2010

    This is actually very handy, and a good record to show new anglers (and handy for us older, more forgetful types like me) :)

    Mightfish - I wonder only one thing - the links above appear to take me to the same map that is the entire continent of Northrend, and this map is populated with fishing pools where they spawn in each zone.

    Am I missing a reason for the separate links? The map always seems to open "focussed" on Borean Tundra (though I can scroll easily enough to the other zones, of course) - I'm just hoping I'm not missing something, hence I thought I'd ask :)

    Either way, this is well done, and thank you for sharing your hard work with us all :)

  • Mightfish, February 2010

    Christhina wrote:

    Am I missing a reason for the separate links? The map always seems to open "focussed" on Borean Tundra (though I can scroll easily enough to the other zones, of course) - I'm just hoping I'm not missing something, hence I thought I'd ask :)

    Thank you for your support !
    This function seems simple, but the design is very difficulties.
    Sorry, i do not have the ability to solve this problem.

  • Al, February 2010

    Thanks for this contribution to fishing knowledge, Mightfish.

  • Basill, February 2010

    OMG.......

    ..Traitor......

    WTF.....

    ^ø^

    You are now handing out all our well kept secrets... my god what have you done...
    *Equips a fishingpole with razorblades attached and starts hunting newbies looking at maps while fishing*

    On a serious note..

    Job well done, maps looks nice and not overfilled with useless information.
    big thumbs up for the work, love the links to Els site..Cuz I gotta admit..other fishing sites dont reach El´s site to the socks and are not worthy...

    Not so serious note..

    a troll blog..... ;( why not an ally toon..(cuz they kinda rocks)

    ;)

  • jtb, January 2011

    I am getting a 404 error when i try to access these, are they no longer posted?

  • Christhina, January 2011

    JTB, I am now getting the same.

    Sadly, it seems the map (which was very well done), along with our friend Mightfish, seems to have disappeared :(

  • Mightfish, May 2011

    re-uploaded?
    https://sites.google.com/site/wowfishpool/distribution/distribution.jpg?attredirects=0

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