starlin Discussion about fishing in World of Warcraft. en-US Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:41:58 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.3 q http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/search.php http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/kaluak-fishing-derby/page/6#post-10394 Sun, 26 Jun 2011 22:26:25 +0000 Snowlord 10394@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Just yesterday 6/26/11 after 5 minutes i caught the shark i freaked hearthed and got the boots... i really got lucky that day lol </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/kaluak-fishing-derby/page/6#post-9399 Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:55:21 +0000 Amyhousewine 9399@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I won the derby this week on my second try, probably beginners luck, but I did read all the info here on Els first.<br /> Last week I went to Howling Ford and it was ridiculously busy, people flying around everywhere with 2 or 3 anglers to a pool, so this week I thought I'd try and find a quiet area - I went to the west coast of northrend around the border of Borean Tundra and Sholazar, I found about 5 pools of manta rays all close to each to other and there was no-one else there, i downed a water walking elixir to get into postion easier and to try and avoid aggro from the locals (i still got into a fight about 2 mins in...)<br /> The manta pools were dropping a lot of pygmy suckerfish, then on my 5th pool there was the Blacktip, I'm a mage so I ported to Dalaran with my heart in my mouth and to my total suprise got there first! total time about 8 mins. My fishing skill is 450, I had no extra buffs, no epic flying mount and I use Seth's Graphite pole.</p> <p>So my tips would be 1) find a quiet area. 2) use water walking pots. 3) immediatley re-cast if your not 100% sure your cast is inside the pool circle.<br /> I've only been fishing seriously for 3 weeks, but I'm almost 'Salty' already, just need one of the Outland dailys. Many thanks El! </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/kaluak-fishing-derby/page/6#post-8471 Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:33:19 +0000 traconis 8471@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Does someone know if the derby is on 5/6/10 because it doesnt show me on the calendar in wow<br /> and I dont know whats happened? </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/kaluak-fishing-derby/page/6#post-8426 Sun, 23 May 2010 10:37:56 +0000 el 8426@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Garroch - This is a theory I tried to convince myself of during testing. There are a couple of variations:</p> <ol> <li>Doesn't drop in the first 5 minutes.</li> <li>Drop rate increases over time.</li> <li>Drop rate increases over number of individual casts.</li> </ol> <p>...And then the first "live" winner I talked to claimed to have caught it on their second cast, having then spent 3 minutes waiting for Dalaran to appear. So it is possible to catch the shark immediately. And the tendency not to get a winner within 5 minutes is as much due to Dalaran as to the rarity of the shark.</p> <p>We still can't know if the probability of catching the shark increases over time (or with casts). Both are possible (the quest drop "mechanic" does that). My gut feeling it not, because (using known mechanics) it would become increasingly certain that the shark would be caught at some time during the hour. And I know from testing, that there are only (roughly) even odds of catching the shark during the hour:</p> <p>Let's use that final estimate, even though it is inaccurate: If the probability is completely flat, then on average, 1 shark = 120 minutes of fishing. Or with 60 people fishing, the shark will be caught in an average of 2 minutes. Plus 3 minutes to actually get the quest completed, and that's 5 minutes. In practice, the average of 2 minutes isn't so equally distributed: The result will be biased above 2 minutes, because there no catch is likely in the first 15 seconds. While there may be more than 60 people fishing (that will vary by realm), that number will already bring anglers into conflict for pools, so will slow down the overall catch rate. The more people, the more conflict, so after a point, adding more people doesn't speed the result - it just makes the result more reliable.</p> <p>Sure, that analysis is very vague. But it does suggest that pure randoms could be responsible for the results we are seeing. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/kaluak-fishing-derby/page/6#post-8425 Sun, 23 May 2010 07:03:44 +0000 Garroch 8425@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I recently read an interesting theory on the General Forums. This is not my own. Credit is due to Nonamesteak from the Firetree server.</p> <p>"From the little information Blizzard gives about the Kalu'ak Fishing Derby, you can generally assume it should work like this: beginning at 2:00pm, anywhere you fish that yields a pygmy suckerfish has a small chance to give a blacktip shark. Pools should have a greater chance to give the shark since they drop suckerfish at a higher rate. </p> <p>I have been around for all but three Kalu'ak Fishing Derbies since it was introduced, and almost every week it has been won within 6-8 minutes after the start. It is statistically impossible for this to happen with so many people rolling the dice so many times every week and never win within 5 minutes. </p> <p>Something must prevent the shark from dropping before the 5 minute mark. </p> <p>I had a hypothesis where, if you assume each fishing pool have a loot table (it spawns knowing specifically what items it will give), each pool that already exists at 2:00pm will not have the shark inside it, but pools spawned afterward will include the shark in their loot table. The fishing pool respawn time is about 5 minutes. So, as people fish up all the pools in the first 5 minutes they wouldn't have a chance to get the shark until pools start respawning. The derby is then won shortly after with so many rolls going out. </p> <p>I have adopted a strategy where I find a little-known cluster of pools and fish the area dry at around 1:55pm. The pools start respawning right after the tournament starts, so I should theoretically have a 5 minute head start. </p> <p>Unfortunately, another interesting mechanic arose while I did this. The pools that had spawned between 2:00-2:05pm did not yield any normal fish. For example, when fishing in a manta ray school I would either get a blank cast (no loot window, bobber disappears, pool disappears if it runs out of casts, no error message of any sort), or a lone pygmy suckerfish. I don't expect many others to experience this since they would be fishing in pre-spawned pools, which would include the normal fish but no shark. </p> <p>So, there is some mechanism that specifically prevents fish from dropping during the first 5 minutes. At this point, my only thought is that Blizzard does this as a sloppy fix to prolong the derby and not make it seem trivial when someone wins instantly every week. Possibly a hotfix for people like me that try to gain advantages. </p> <p>All my data is from my own personal experiences. If anyone has had anything happen to them that doesn't correlate, I'd like to know. Any other theories on what's going on are also appreciated."</p> <p>and then...</p> <p>"In my situation, it's programmed to be impossible to get the shark in the first 5 minutes. Respawn theory aside, there is some direct mechanic that causes no fish not to drop at all. </p> <p>The actual drop rate of the shark is high enough that when it does starts dropping, someone on the server gets it immediately. There is a 5 minute delay from the official beginning. Then add about a minute or two for the initial casts and travel to Dalaran. </p> <p>Were the drop rate actually so low that it takes an average of 7 minutes for somebody on the server to find it, there would be at least one time where somebody won at 2:01pm and another at 2:15pm. "</p> <p>Very interesting. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/kaluak-fishing-derby/page/6#post-8424 Sun, 23 May 2010 05:27:40 +0000 Marlburo 8424@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I hate this thing more than almost anything.....that is all. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/kaluak-fishing-derby/page/6#post-8216 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:14:24 +0000 x87bliss 8216@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I just won the contest in the Grizzly Hills.</p> <p>I start at the bottom of the lake by Blue Sky Logging Grounds, near where the southern river starts. There's usually 2-3 pools of Salmon right there.</p> <p>As those pools get used, I follow the lake counter-clockwise until I get to the river that flows West-East. I then continue to follow that river out.</p> <p>I have never run out of pools to fish before the contest ended. I just got lucky today to be the first after about 5 minutes. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/kaluak-fishing-derby/page/6#post-8214 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:15:59 +0000 seaborn 8214@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>They seem to win the contest at 5-6 mins each time. I do not want to give the name out due to spamming but yes it does seem very unusual. I am going to use one of my opposing faction toons next week to see where they are fishing. I have talk to several people noticing the same thing and a few have stated they have sent in tickets etc. But, since i have gotten all my info here i thought I would post about it to see if anyone has heard of anything like this. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/kaluak-fishing-derby/page/6#post-8213 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:02:57 +0000 el 8213@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>What sort of winning time, seaborn? Also, do you know where they are fishing? Since the derby is now generally agreed to be random, securing 4 victories in a row on 1 angler is (statistically) very unlikely. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/kaluak-fishing-derby/page/6#post-8211 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 18:25:21 +0000 seaborn 8211@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I would like to know if anyone has come across bugs for this. The same person has been winning the contest on the same realm over and over. I am aware of 4 in a row but have heard others say its been going on since before that too. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/kaluak-fishing-derby/page/6#post-8200 Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:10:40 +0000 el 8200@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>traconis - Please read <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/kaluak_derby_strategy.html" title="Contests: Kalu&#39;ak Fishing Derby Strategy - Discusses preparation and strategies for winning the Kalu&#39;ak Fishing Derby.">Kalu&#39;ak Fishing Derby Strategy</a>, which lists all the options. There is no "best place". </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/kaluak-fishing-derby/page/6#post-8188 Tue, 13 Apr 2010 06:16:49 +0000 traconis 8188@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p><cite>Mightfish <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/kaluak-fishing-derby/page/5#post-7761" title="View original post.">wrote</a>:</cite></p> <blockquote><p><a href="http://files.wowfishing.coms.hk/img/yu-lei-ji-wu-pin/WoW.jpg">Do not do this kind of thing, in the Kalu'ak Fishing Derby. (pic)</a><br /> LOL </p></blockquote> <p>because the pool of blood doesent have the pygmy suckerishes </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/kaluak-fishing-derby/page/5#post-8187 Tue, 13 Apr 2010 06:15:22 +0000 traconis 8187@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>demongarlic it doesit matter if you have the worst fishing pole only the luckiness counts </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/kaluak-fishing-derby/page/5#post-8183 Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:15:33 +0000 traconis 8183@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Does someone know where is the best place to fish blacktip shark? </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/kaluak-fishing-derby/page/5#post-8172 Sat, 10 Apr 2010 20:45:14 +0000 demongarlic 8172@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>The Derby is worse then the booty bay contest a dk on my server won it and he was not even close to 450 fishing had the worst pole in game +0 and had no fishing but his pole why they call it a contest at all its all just luck And after so many years you would think they fix the booty bay one so many people win it over abd over again not cuz they are good fishermen but cuz they show up with a army and kill every on the beach make it a no pvp zone and let me see just one person win it twice in a roll twice a year maybe lol ty for letting me vent alittle GL all. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/kaluak-fishing-derby/page/5#post-7761 Sun, 07 Feb 2010 08:34:51 +0000 Mightfish 7761@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p><a href="http://files.wowfishing.coms.hk/img/yu-lei-ji-wu-pin/WoW.jpg">Do not do this kind of thing, in the Kalu'ak Fishing Derby. (pic)</a><br /> LOL </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/kaluak-fishing-derby/page/5#post-7759 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:48:01 +0000 Bojyoko 7759@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p><cite>Rigami <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/kaluak-fishing-derby/page/5#post-7429" title="View original post.">wrote</a>:</cite></p> <blockquote><p>Am I the only one disappointed with it? It seems more like a raffle then an actual competition.<br /> I asked if it could be changed. :-/ I would really like to see something that requires more time to complete and some level of planning.<br /> <a href="http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?sid=1&#038;topicId=11824285369" rel="nofollow">http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?sid=1&#038;topicId=11824285369</a></p></blockquote> <p>I couldn't agree more about it being a raffle as opposed to a competition. I ranted about it on wowhead a little: <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=24803#comments:id=967744" rel="nofollow">http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=24803#comments:id=967744</a></p> <p>I'm happy the event is there, and I'm glad it gives people a better chance at a difficult title, but they could have made it just a tad more challenging than "who can beat the RNG first?" </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/kaluak-fishing-derby/page/5#post-7432 Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:27:24 +0000 el 7432@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Marlburo - Particle Density seems to be the trigger. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/kaluak-fishing-derby/page/5#post-7431 Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:14:43 +0000 Marlburo 7431@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Quick question to start me off....when video settings are all turned to low, pools are almost flashing every half second. Meaning i can't see if my bobber is in the pool right away, anyone know what setting I need to raise so pools look "normal"?</p> <p>Since it seems many others have given their two cents on this new tournament, I will as well. As a multiple STV tournament winner I really don't mind that this thing is mostly luck. For one it gives those people who feel the STV tourney is "impossible" a chance to get their title. In addition, much like every other fishing thing in this game....it is just a matter of time before I get this shark. I consider myself one of, if not the most insane fishermen out there but, I didn't get my turtle first, mr pinchy first, etc, etc (and trust me I was out there busting my hump trying). Of course I feel if there was any justice in the world I would of won today, but the only thing I can do is be out there next week, and the week after, and the week after that. If I've said it once, I've said it 1000 times....the only skill that separates the fisherboys from the fishermen is patience. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/kaluak-fishing-derby/page/5#post-7429 Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:36:58 +0000 Rigami 7429@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Am I the only one disappointed with it? It seems more like a raffle then an actual competition. </p> <p>I asked if it could be changed. :-/ I would really like to see something that requires more time to complete and some level of planning. </p> <p><a href="http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?sid=1&#038;topicId=11824285369" rel="nofollow">http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?sid=1&#038;topicId=11824285369</a> </p>