http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/tags/achievements Discussion about fishing in World of Warcraft. en-US Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:40:45 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/search.php http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/extravaganza-in-salty-achievement/page/8#post-8021 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 04:13:03 +0000 Minivini 8021@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <blockquote><p>The salty title shows you're litterally at one with the fishes, it's a shame some people won't be able to get it but the opportunity is there to remove the biggest fishing challenge in the game from the title would be a slap in the face of all those who have worked their ass off to get it.</p></blockquote> <p>I completely agree with this statement.</p> <p>Salty would be a massively lesser achievement if it did not include winning one of the derbies. Personally I think it should be expanded to include a requirement for winning both competitions as well as Old Crafty, Ironjaw, turtle mount, and Giant Rat.</p> <p>I'm sorry but if you can't make a Sunday that's just too bad. There is nothing wrong with having extremely difficult achievements that are not attainable for many, or most people. I really hate the culture of handing everything to players on a plate and letting even the most inept complete all the things there are to achieve.</p> <p>Salty means you have patience, above all else, but the inclusion of having to win one of the competitions means you have strategy as well. For the Kala'uk derby, less so, that is a lot more luck than the STV competition, and it is for that reason that I chose to target the STV competition instead.</p> <p>There are many excellent suggestions for a strategy to win STV. I did it on a very busy PvP server and I did it solo without any support from my guild or friends. Knowing where to fish, how to fish, when to fish, how to avoid enemy faction players, how to avoid same faction competitors, all of this is part of the achievement of winning this competition and taking that out of the equation simply reduces the title to a time-sink grind with absolutely no skill or experience involved. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/extravaganza-in-salty-achievement/page/8#post-7253 Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:03:08 +0000 Swifteye 7253@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>This is complete and utter "QQing" on my part, so feel free to disregard.</p> <p>I will never be able to win the Extravaganza, at least not with my current job (which I don't see quitting anytime soon).</p> <p>I NEVER get Sundays off, and I work graveyard shift. Moreover, my job is in the direct-care field. Meaning not only does it suck to go to work with not enough sleep (as it would with any job), it is DANGEROUS. How am I supposed to explain to a patient that I accidentally injured them while attempting to treat their wounds or assist with their rehab because I was sleepy due to being awake at 2pm (which is like 2*am* to me) trying to win a computerized fishing contest? </p> <p>I really, really wanted to get the Salty title for one of my toons, but I just don't see it happening. And it sucks to know that the only thing keeping me from it is the timing of the event.</p> <p>Personally I would rather see them replace the contest requirement for "Salty" with a few of the rare catches that AREN'T part of the achievement. Heck, I WANT a reason to fish for the Giant Sewer Rat, and it'd be interesting to make people catch Old Crafty AND Old Ironjaw! Hanging out in an enemy city long enough to actually catch the one that isn't "yours" shows dedication to the sport, no?</p> <p>Actually I was kinda irritated to learn Old Ironjaw WASN'T part of the title, AFTER I'd caught him (and it took forever, as you can imagine).</p> <p>Ah well. I'm really bummed to know that I'll never get that title despite my love for fishing and all the work I've put into it, but I suppose Blizz has to do what Bzlizz has to do.</p> <p>*shrugs* </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/extravaganza-in-salty-achievement/page/8#post-6968 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:06:15 +0000 Boost 6968@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>The tournament should grant its own title "shady" and not salty considering that is seemingly what you need to be to win nowadays. Has nothing to do with fishing anymore. Just my 2 cents. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/extravaganza-in-salty-achievement/page/8#post-6967 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 06:44:32 +0000 Pj 6967@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>i won it the second week it was announced ages back<br /> and have won it three other times as well<br /> just gotta do it every week<br /> and not give up<br /> sometimes things just will work your way<br /> losing again and again and again, just makes it feel that much better when you finally do win<br /> if its really that bad and winning is so important to you you could always just change servers or pay people to protect of you something.. although i've won it on two different servers, both pvp, and i can say that both of them took a whole bunch of sundays<br /> skill can only take you so far with the tourney and fishing in general, at the end of the day, luck will always be a considerable factor of fishing</p> <p>just don't be negative and convince yourself that you can never win, because you can, every week somebody wins, often times its not the person who has like five people protecting them trying to help win it, just some random person who got lucky with spots and few junk fish<br /> just don't give up </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/extravaganza-in-salty-achievement/page/8#post-6962 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:44:11 +0000 Shircon 6962@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p><cite>X-Rok <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/extravaganza-in-salty-achievement/page/8#post-6953" title="View original post.">wrote</a>:</cite></p> <blockquote><p>Personally I'm in defense of keeping the Extravaganza in the Salty title requirement... Titles are supposed to be rare, this is one of the few that has a limiter on how many people can obtain it. Remove the Extravaganza, and Salty becomes a title you can AFK-click your way to obtaining.<br /> Skill or luck, whatever you want to call it, it takes both. You need luck on your side for avoiding junk catches, having your bobber actually land in the pool, spawns of pools being nearby, and no competition in the area... You need skill to know where to stand to help your bobber land in the pool easier, to avoid the still-bugged pools that make you spend most of your time getting 'Water too shallow', to know when to switch areas because of overcompetition...<br /> It's actually one of the few consistently fun challenges left in this game, and I only get out there on time for it maybe every third week... Today I managed my 6th win in about 4 years... once before 2.0, one shortly after TBC came out, one right before and one right after 3.0, and one shortly after WotLK before I hit 80, plus today (Aug23). I like to call it... defending my Saltyness.<br /> You wanna be Salty? You gotta outfish the competition. Salty is for the best of the best of us that ever hooked a Nightcrawler on our fishing line... Get fishing.</p></blockquote> <p>Here here....i could not have put it better myself,its the only achievement that makes you truly earn it in my view....HUZZAH to you sir. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/extravaganza-in-salty-achievement/page/8#post-6959 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:31:31 +0000 Jelly 6959@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>While I think the contest gives us all something to strive for and is a great motivator, I think it is very luck-based to be honest, at least when you think of the contest as a one time encounter.</p> <p> Yesterday I was at 35 fish when the winner was announced and I was bloody unlucky for the first 8-9 minutes:<br /> - Yojamba, which I always start at, had basically no pools spawning in the first three minutes.<br /> - Moreover, the first 5 pools I fished had *one* tastyfish each, while the rest was stranglekelp etc. </p> <p>I really know what I should do, have the pots stacked etc, but there is nothing really I can do about catching firefin snappers or stranglekelp.</p> <p>Having said that, I know that the probability of being so unlucky in, let's say, 10 tries is really low and so the luck factor's importance might drop quite a lot.</p> <p>However if you take into consideration various things like: pool spawns probability, catch rate probability, let alone the mammoth-blocking issues - I wouldn't dare to say it has very little luck involved. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/extravaganza-in-salty-achievement/page/8#post-6956 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:03:03 +0000 Rigami 6956@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I got it yesterday. It was my forth time *really trying* to win. I would have to say those that are complaining are probably not trying. For the forth time I had actually planned to run it next week as my research wasn't fully complete but tried anyway. </p> <p>If you want to remove Salty fine, but I would say that you get another title in place. </p> <p>All the other fishing tasks for salty are luck based, the STVE has very little luck involved if you want to win. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/extravaganza-in-salty-achievement/page/8#post-6953 Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:55:18 +0000 X-Rok 6953@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Personally I'm in defense of keeping the Extravaganza in the Salty title requirement... Titles are supposed to be rare, this is one of the few that has a limiter on how many people can obtain it. Remove the Extravaganza, and Salty becomes a title you can AFK-click your way to obtaining.</p> <p>Skill or luck, whatever you want to call it, it takes both. You need luck on your side for avoiding junk catches, having your bobber actually land in the pool, spawns of pools being nearby, and no competition in the area... You need skill to know where to stand to help your bobber land in the pool easier, to avoid the still-bugged pools that make you spend most of your time getting 'Water too shallow', to know when to switch areas because of overcompetition...</p> <p>It's actually one of the few consistently fun challenges left in this game, and I only get out there on time for it maybe every third week... Today I managed my 6th win in about 4 years... once before 2.0, one shortly after TBC came out, one right before and one right after 3.0, and one shortly after WotLK before I hit 80, plus today (Aug23). I like to call it... defending my Saltyness.</p> <p>You wanna be Salty? You gotta outfish the competition. Salty is for the best of the best of us that ever hooked a Nightcrawler on our fishing line... Get fishing. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/extravaganza-in-salty-achievement/page/8#post-6925 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 03:24:38 +0000 Leieia 6925@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I doubt that it will be changed, but I would like to see the Extravaganza removed from the title. As an achievement, winning the contest seems far more like a feat of strength than anything else and it makes the Salty title sort of arbitrary. I'd rather see a flat-out "how many hours spent fishing" or some huge crazy number of fish caught as a requirement than the Extravaganza. </p> <p>And I'll back frankOz up by saying that - on my server - it's a mess of poor sportsmanship, to say the least. I'm not even on a PVP server, but I see huge mounts covering pools, NPCs pulled onto other players, people jumping on lures, etc. It's a display of the worst behavior in all of Azeroth, and I hate being out there week after week trying to wade through the jerks. </p> <p>I may be off in thinking this, but I like playing with a sort of fisherman's code. I like seeing tauren trying to hide in the back corner of Ironforge, dressed up in their finest fishing gear. If I'm out and about and someone else is fishing pools in the same area, I try to make sure we aren't stepping on each other's toes. Since the title is sort of the only prominent way to show fishing pride, I find it inconsistent with the spirit of the profession to make the contest a requirement for Salty.</p> <p>And besides all that, I think perseverance, rather than simply luck, should be the deciding factor for Salty. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/fishing-in-wotlk#post-6902 Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:22:11 +0000 Hordriss 6902@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Sad to say, I agree with the above poster - I'm also pretty much giving up on fishing in Northrend due to the sheer number of 'fishing griefers' (standing/mounting on bobbers, fishing from 'claimed' schools, etc.). I appreciate that Blizz want more people to fish, but for me, they're taken most of the fun out of it. And as for the ever-present gankers and gangs on mammoths at the Extravaganza... that's the only achievement missing from my title but even that isn't enough to motivate me to go back there. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/fishing-in-wotlk#post-6862 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:20:58 +0000 nonameform 6862@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I wonder what makes people fish in a school that's already being fished from? In the last few months I've met several people who preferred to fish from "my" school while there were other schools around. While I do understand that sort of behavior during Extravaganza (only before winner is announced), I don't understand what makes people think that it's OK to share a school with someone. If I see someone fishing in a school, I just leave it to them and move to the next one. If there are no schools, I just wait for a new spawn and go to it.</p> <p>For me fishing from "someone's" school is as disgraceful as collecting herb/ore while someone fights a mob near it. I've even seen people from my own faction doing that sort of things to me, which is a real shame. I think of them as of spoiled kids, who just believe that everything belongs to them and that it's OK to make other people do half of the job for you. I bet they belong to the same group of people who never tips.</p> <p>Today while farming mats for 60 fish feasts for my guild, I've met three people who just couldn't resist the urge to fish from the same schools as I did, even though there were schools 10-15 yards away from it. With all those new people getting into the fishing, I certainly find it less enjoyable to fish with every passing day. Even though my <a href="http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4538-CirksBadapples.html">Badapples list</a> consists mostly of people who ninja loot, play their class poorly or just plain stupid people, it grows longer because I've started adding people who didn't tip or did something disgraceful in my opinion. I just wish Blizzard never bothered to make any changes to fishing at all. Compared to TBC, I see people fishing much more now, which actually makes it less exciting for me. Might as well just go to fish in Azeroth for all the rare fishes, just to be less annoyed of how crowded some pools are. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/achievements-andor-feats-of-strength-past-1000-fish#post-6793 Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:29:40 +0000 GormanGhaste 6793@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I think 10k as the top achievement is much more reasonable than 1k. I did over 1k catches just fishing up my sewer rat. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/achievements-andor-feats-of-strength-past-1000-fish#post-6774 Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:39:24 +0000 nonameform 6774@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>First of all Blizzard needs to correct those fish achievements that are already in the game, if 1000 by they standards is the cap. I have been leveling fishing on my alt and catching all the junk in the Undercity. All those junk catches did count for fish achievements, which doesn't make much sense, as Blizzard has the way to tell if item was a fish or not (check your statistics for secondary professions). By the time I get 1000 fish achievement, I won't be even at 450 skill, so I don't see how exactly 1000 is the cap.</p> <p>I believe that several months ago Blizzard said that they're going to add some new achievements for professions (at least for main professions). Hope they will find time to add something interesting for secondary professions too. I want all those fishes that got away actually caught. Make it a feat of strength, as it's too much to ask from anyone to actually achieve, but at least make it trackable and I will be happy. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/achievements-andor-feats-of-strength-past-1000-fish#post-6773 Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:31:23 +0000 Lyps 6773@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>That Tuskarrmageddon thing is hilarious, by the way. I hadn't heard of that before. I'm guessing it never made it out of beta, lol. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/achievements-andor-feats-of-strength-past-1000-fish#post-6772 Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:20:32 +0000 Lyps 6772@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>All valid points El, and I am sure they are exactly what Blizz considers when discussing new achievements.</p> <p>The main reason I feel like there is room to expand with the X Fish Caught achievements is because of how silly the 1k cap is in comparison to the 100k HKs cap.</p> <p>There definitely needs to be a limit as to how high the achievements go, for exactly the reasons you outlined, but I'm not convinced 1k is the right cap.</p> <p>Perhaps though, given the fact that 1k is built into the Salty meta-achievement, larger milestones should be feats of strength. It would also remove the issue of enticing people to chase them since feats are visible on your list of achievements you haven't completed yet and would only be nice little reminders that you have achieved a whole new level of fishing craziness. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/achievements-andor-feats-of-strength-past-1000-fish#post-6770 Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:23:06 +0000 el 6770@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Interesting topic.</p> <p>I've never seen Blizzard justify this, but my guess is that the fish-catch achievements are supposed to be easy: 25...50...100 fish are the "entry-level" achievements that get you started. Something anyone can get fairly quickly. Once you've caught 1,000 fish, you're ready to try some of the more <em>specialist</em> fishing achievements.</p> <p>Beyond that, however high the bar is set, someone will want to reach it and go higher. 10,000 leads to 100,000, leads to a million, leads to... And when you started, 1,000 might have seemed a lot. It's <a href="http://elitistjerks.com/f15/t14903-wrath_lich_king_stuff_blizzcon_thread/p220/#post817737">Tuskarrmageddon</a>!</p> <p>There are a few of questions that arise:</p> <ol> <li>Is catching a lot of fish an achievement to be proud of, or are others worth more to you? What? why? I know some people set their own goals, like Marlburo catching every fish in the sea.</li> <li>Must it be possible to complete all the achievements - <a href="http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=80077.0">Zoltan's approach</a>? Or can individual achievements scale up towards infinity - for example, every time you reach a new catch achievement, a new aim appears 2 or 10 times higher?</li> <li>Ethically, what's reasonable? How many marriages or childhoods would a million-catch achievement destroy? [I originally wrote billion, but that would take more than a lifetime to complete.]</li> </ol> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/achievements-andor-feats-of-strength-past-1000-fish#post-6768 Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:47:16 +0000 nonameform 6768@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Last time I checked I had 10k+ fishes/15k+ items. 100k fishes achievement seems OK for me, though it will take more time to get than 100k HK in my opinion. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/achievements-andor-feats-of-strength-past-1000-fish#post-6764 Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:34:23 +0000 Leny 6764@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Im at ~12k catches, I think this would be a good idea, the only fishing achivment I have to look for is the turtle, and it loves to taunt me...3 guild members have got it on there 1st cast </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/achievements-andor-feats-of-strength-past-1000-fish#post-6759 Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:06:53 +0000 Lyps 6759@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>It seems kind of silly that there are no achievements and/or feats of strength past the 1000 fish mark. It will likely take mostly people 10k+ casts to get all the current fishing achievements, and even then some people just like to fish for fun and/or money.</p> <p>Most other achievements that track your progress on an unending count (i.e. honorable kills) max out at much higher levels (100k kills), and it's really cool to still have something to aim for once you've completed all the other achievements related to a specific skill or subarea of the game.</p> <p>It just seems that 1000 fish is such a silly mark, and since they track your fish caught in the statistics tab anyway, why not implement achievements at the 5k, 10k, 25k, and maybe even 100k mark? Surely some people will hit those numbers over time, so why not give them some recognition for doing so?</p> <p>Hopefully Blizz is planning to do this already and just hasn't prioritized it since not many people are over the 10k mark yet anyway.</p> <p>What do you guys think? How many fish (and other things) have you caught so far?</p> <p>Me, I'm only at the 6k mark, but I still have a couple rare fish to catch and just haven't had the time to sit down and grind them out.</p> <p>Hey El, how about a poll that asks people which of the above marks they've reached (1k, 5k, 10k, 25k, etc)? I'd be curious to know where most other anglers stand at this point. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/extravaganza-in-salty-achievement/page/8#post-6737 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:25:45 +0000 Marlburo 6737@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>in defense of the tournament.....after 4 times you're still learning. </p>