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			<title>Laizhensil on "A brief overview of getting to Salty"</title>
			<link>http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/a-brief-overview-of-getting-to-salty#post-3451</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Laizhensil</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;Just the other night, I finally completed all the requirements to be Salty and received my title.  It took a lot of forum scouring and a lot of reading to gather the right information, so I figured I'd post a short log of all that I did and how I did it, to help others on their way.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Of course, I would attribute almost all of my success to El, whose site is just the definitive source of fishing information for WoW players, bar none.  Thanks El!&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I'll go through the achievements briefly, one at a time, and tell how I finished them.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;----------------------------------------------------------------------&#60;br /&#62;
Northrend Angler - Fish 10 nodes in Northrend&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;(copied from Thottbot, credit to kitkibbles)&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;*Fangtooth Herring*  - fresh waters in Howling Fjord &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;*Musselback Sculpin* fresh water in Borean Tundra (I got mine in Lake Hum'uya located directly south east of Amber ledge).&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;*Borean Man O' War* Off the coast in Borean Tundra (I got mine at the shrine of scales located just off the southwest coast of riplash strand).&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;*Imperial Manta Ray* off the coast in Borean Tundra (I got mine at riplash strand but there are tons in dragonblight at Moa'ki Harbor as well).&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;*Nettlefish* freshwater in Sholazar Basin...  these fish are like fleas and can be found in all lakes and rivers there.  I got mine in the seabreach flow just east of nesingwary base camp. &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;*Dragonfin Angelfish* Lake Indu'le just north of moa'ki harbor in dragonblight.  I didn't see them anywhere else but they could be in other freshwater locations too of course.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;*Glassfin Minnow*  freshwater in crystalsong forest.  They were everywhere in the river that runs through the area.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;*Glacial Salmon* freshwater in Grizzly Hills.  I got mine in the river located just south of Zeb'halak.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;*Deep Sea Monsterbelly* salt water off the icebergs south of Unu'pe in the frozen sea, Borean tundra.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;*Moonglow Cuttlefish* salt water off the icebergs south of Unu'pe in the frozen sea, Borean tundra. &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;----------------------------------------------&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Master Angler of Stranglethorn&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Ah, the dreaded fishing contest.  This was my last achievement for Salty.  I won after 2 serious attempts.  This is exactly what I did-&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;-  Hearthstone to Booty Bay Inn&#60;br /&#62;
-  I fished the area directly south of Grom'gol.  There is a water fall which separates the land.  I started on the side furthest from Grom'gol.  I fished exclusively in the first 6 nodes and only the first 6 nodes.  When there were no nodes (which only happened once) I sat and waited for them to reappear.&#60;br /&#62;
-  I used water walking potions to fish the nodes which were across the waterfall break in the coast.&#60;br /&#62;
-  I caught 7 Oily Blackmouths, 1 Stranglekelp and 1 Firefin and still won the competition.&#60;br /&#62;
-  I won in exactly 20 minutes and 41 seconds.&#60;br /&#62;
-  The area only had 3-5 other fishermen when I was there.  When there were 2 people at a node, I'd skip it and move to the next node, always staying between my 6 designated nodes.  If there was not a fishing node with less than 2 people, I would run back and forth waiting for the next one to spawn.&#60;br /&#62;
-  I used a macro to track the amount of Tastyfish I had.  It was this...&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;#showtooltip Speckled Tastyfish&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;-  The first time I tried, I caught 9 Oily Blackmouths and was quite angry at Blizzard for implementing a RNG in an already very luck driven competition.  I lost at 19m 55s, with 31 fish.  :)&#60;br /&#62;
------------------------------&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;The One That Didn't Get Away&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;-  I fished in Thunderbull Lake in Mulgore for the 15 pound Mudfish.  It took me 1310 casts.  I thought about going for the Herring, but it seemed like a hassle, because I wasn't sure if it dropped only from the Herring nodes or from the actual open sea.&#60;br /&#62;
-  I parked myself in front of the TV at home, picked out three good movies, and started fishing.&#60;br /&#62;
-  I set my cast to hotkey 1.&#60;br /&#62;
-  I would press 1, place the mouse icon over the bobber, then proceed to watch my show.  With the sound turned up, and no one else fishing, I could just reach down instinctively and right-click to pick up the fish.  I would then repeat the process.&#60;br /&#62;
-  I had Auto-Loot on and didn't worry about casting too fast, because the 15 pound mudfish is NOT BoP, so it does not require you to accept it.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;-------------------------------&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Mr. Pinchy&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;-  I do the daily fishing quest in Terrokar anyway, so whenever I would do that, I would empty out all the Highland Mixed Schools in the area.  This means the lake by the alliance town, the lake by the horde town, and the bigger lake up in Skettis.  3-5 nodes in both the Horde and Alliance rivers, and 7-10 in the Skettis area.&#60;br /&#62;
-  They spawn rather slow, so after cleaning out the nodes I would find something else to do for 2 hours then come back.&#60;br /&#62;
-  I caught Mr. Pinchy the first time in just 31 casts (very luck, I know).  But this resulted in 2 Benevolent Mr. Pinchys and 1 Pinchy Blessing, so I had to do it again.&#60;br /&#62;
-  I caught him again after about 600 casts.  The first prize was a gift-box, and the second was the pet.&#60;br /&#62;
-  I made sure that I paid attention while fishing, because he is BoP, so you need to click accept.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;---------------------------------&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I smell a Giant Rat&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;-  In the underbelly of the sewer, on the pier next to the Inn, is where I fished for this guy.&#60;br /&#62;
-  It took me about 1000 casts.&#60;br /&#62;
-  He is BoP too, so watch out and don't go too fast.&#60;br /&#62;
-  My best advice for not burning yourself out on fishing is to start chatting in /1 or /2 or in /g.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;---------------------------------&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Deadliest Catch&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;- I solo'd this as a 74 Frost Mage.&#60;br /&#62;
-  First, you need to be in a raid group, so have a friend or stranger group with you, start a raid group, then head in on your own.&#60;br /&#62;
-  Advise the person you are grouped with that he or she will be unable to complete any non-raid quests while you are doing this.  (Took us forever to figure out why my girlfriend could not pick up mushrooms for the cooking daily in Dalaran hehe)&#60;br /&#62;
-  You must enter ZG twice-  First to pick up the jugs of ale which are at Nat Pagle's fishing site on the north side of the big lake which Hakkar is in the middle of.&#60;br /&#62;
-  Then you must take them to Nat Pagle in Dustwallow Marsh and he'll give you what you need to fish up this guy.&#60;br /&#62;
-  Then you need to fish the mudskunk nodes which are in the exact same place in ZG.  (I fished the mudskunks the first time I went so I could just go straight to the boss the second time)&#60;br /&#62;
-  Once you have the mudskunks and the lure from Nat Pagle, you can go to Nat Pagle's fishing site in ZG and fish up the boss and get the achievement.&#60;br /&#62;
-  Fishing up the boss is all you need to do.  No need to try to solo him ;)&#60;br /&#62;
-  Once I fished him up, I Invisibilitied and ran out.  Done.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;----------------------------------------&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;The Scavenger&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;(credit to jamras on thottbot)&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Steam Pump Flotsam:  Zangarmarsh, all over the lakes&#60;br /&#62;
Schooner Wreckage:  Southshore, near dock and along coast line&#60;br /&#62;
Floating Wreckage:  Tanaris, coast&#60;br /&#62;
Bloodsail Wreckage:  STV, coast south of Grom'Gol&#60;br /&#62;
Waterlogged Wreckage: STV, Lake Nazferiti and along river &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;----------------------------------------&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;The Coin Master&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;This is accomplished by fishing the entire collection of coins out of the tiny fountain in Dalaran.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;-  Copper is the easiest to catch, Silver second and Gold hardest.&#60;br /&#62;
-  Only Gold coins can be thrown back into the pool to increase your chances of getting more coins.&#60;br /&#62;
-  The buff from tossing gold coins lasts only 2 minutes, which seems to go by VERY quickly.  Make sure you don't mis-click or go afk while you have the buff.&#60;br /&#62;
-  I finished Silver before Copper, then Gold last.  The last Gold coin I needed was Thrall's.&#60;br /&#62;
-  There is a fishing vendor right next to the fountain who has lures for you to use.&#60;br /&#62;
-  You CAN fish the same coin out of the fountain more than once.  In fact, I had a stack of about 10 Danath's copper coin when I was done.  I sold the dupes to the vendor.&#60;br /&#62;
-  I had many instances of &#34;Your cast didn't land in fishable water&#34;.&#60;br /&#62;
-  It took approximately 500 casts to acquire the whole collection.  This can obviously be reduced or increased by the random number generator, but you can help yourself by using Gold Coins effectively.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;-----------------------------------------&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Outland Angler&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Not much to tell here, it's pretty easy.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;(credit to rozlyn on Thottbot)&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Brackish Mixed School - Terokkar and Zangarmarsh&#60;br /&#62;
Bluefish School - Nagrand&#60;br /&#62;
Mudfish School - Nagrand&#60;br /&#62;
School of Darter - Terokkar Forest&#60;br /&#62;
Highland Mixed School - Skettis&#60;br /&#62;
Sporefish School - Zangarmarsh &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;----------------------------------------&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Old Man Barlowned&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Very simple-&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;There is a daily fishing quest in Terrokar.  Each day the fishing quest is randomly chooses one of five fishing quests for you to do.  Keep doing this quest every day and eventually you will get all 5.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;-----------------------------------------&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;The Lurker Above&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Fish up the Lurker Below in Serpentshrine Cavern&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;-  This is definitely soloable.&#60;br /&#62;
-  I followed this guide:&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;&#60;a href=&#34;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2GPZwpkwPg&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2GPZwpkwPg&#60;/a&#62;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Credit to TheZemalf (YouTube)&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;----------------------------------------&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Catch 1000 Fish&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;-  Pretty straight forward.&#60;br /&#62;
-  With the time you'll spend fishing for coins, the rat and The one that didn't get away, you will MORE than hit this.  (It took me about 7500 fish to finish the achievement panel for fishing)&#60;br /&#62;
-  Don't go out of your way to accomplish this, just let it happen on it's own while doing other achievements.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;-----------------------------------------&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;The Old Gnome in the Sea&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;-  Another fishing achievement which will come automatically by doing other achievements.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;-----------------------------------------&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Fish Don't Leave Footprints&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Acquire the Fish Tracking ability&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;-  By fishing out of &#34;wreckage&#34; nodes, you will often get boxes of level relevant profession loot.  (Light Leather, Bolts of Mageweave, etc.)&#60;br /&#62;
-  In these boxes there is a small chance to get the book which teaches you this ability.&#60;br /&#62;
-  Run along the western coast of Stranglethorn Vale and you should at least find one or two wreckage nodes.  Fish these until you get crates.&#60;br /&#62;
-  Wreckage nodes are easy to spot, because they're not your normal, swirling water nodes.  They actually have boxes and pieces of lumber floating in them.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;--------------------------------------&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;And that's how I got to Salty :)&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I hope this has been helpful in answering some of those ambiguous questions one runs into after forum crawling for the easiest way to finish an achievement.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;On a side note-&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I did Old Ironjaw and Old Crafty as well.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;-  Old Craft was very easy.  Simply get the Baby Crocolisk quest and go to Orgrimmar.  When the loot box comes up, ignore it and keep fishing.  After a dozen or so casts, you'll get Old Crafty.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;-  Old Ironjaw was the hardest fishing achievement I've done, to date.  I play Horde, so I had to hide out in the Forlorn Cavern for 4000 casts.  I got attacked and camped at least a dozen times.  If you are Horde and you are going for Old Ironjaw, I'll give you these pointers:&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Do not wear any items with Durability.  Rings and Trinkets and Necklaces are okay, but don't destroy your armor by getting killed a bunch of times.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;First, go to the back of the Forlorn Cavern.  If you get attacked, move to the Lava in the middle of Ironforge (just behind the northernmost cog on the bridge in the exact middle of IF).  You'll get attacked in both places, but at least you can escape some camping.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Do NOT fight back.  This will only aggravate the Alliance more, and they'll end up camping your body.  You are much less fun to antagonize if all you do is stand still and die.  Plus, if you attack any NPCs, there will be a yellow message broadcast to all of Ironforge alerting them to your presence, so don't rock the boat.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;It helps to fish during off hours (early morning and midday).&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Make SURE you watch your screen and don't habituate yourself to casting over and over.  Old Ironjaw is BoP, so you MUST accept him once the window pops up, and you don't want to have to do another 5000 casts because you were fishing too fast.
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			<title>Sellera on "Old Crafty!!"</title>
			<link>http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-crafty#post-1344</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 23:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Sellera</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;GOT OLD CRAFTY!!!! GIMME A COOKIE CAUSE NOW I GOTTA FARM Mr.Pinchy.....
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			<title>Gummo on "Old Crafty still fishable in phased Orgrimmar?"</title>
			<link>http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-crafty-still-fishable-in-phased-orgrimmar#post-4119</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Gummo</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;I have no real reason to think this, but since fishing was changed in the last patch, has anyone fished up Old Crafty in Orgrimmar while it is phased?  It seems to me Blizzard might've considered that an unfair advantage for Alliance players...
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			<title>anthonyfitz on "Fishing ol crafty old crafty"</title>
			<link>http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/fishing-ol-crafty-old-crafty#post-5698</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>anthonyfitz</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;I am trying to fish old crafty after patch 3.1.1 and all i get is a empty loot box. I got 410 fishing  using nats lucky fishing pole(25) and the fish attactor lore(100). I have the quest for the crocs in the city i see that come in the loot bag only once in a while. What am I doing wrong? the only other quest is fate up against your will.
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			<title>RCSI on "Old Crafty is now teasing me"</title>
			<link>http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-crafty-is-now-teasing-me#post-3150</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 05:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>RCSI</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;I set out to catch the old fish, and after a few hundred casts, I did.  I kept him for a while, then once my bank started to fill up, I tossed him.  Now this old fish wont leave me alone!  Whenever I go to catch a Baby Crocolisk for Crocolisks in the City, the fish will, every now and then, pop up and the funny part is, I am unable to loot him.  What a mean little fish.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Edit: I really should use search next time.
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			<title>Kessira on "Orgrimmar fishing?"</title>
			<link>http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/orgrimmar-fishing#post-5783</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Kessira</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;I had an interesting issue while trying to fish for Old Crafty, and I was wondering if anyone else had this problem.  As an alliance player, I went to Orgrimmar, in particular the Vally of Spirits.  Hiding behind the house there, I cast my line several times, and never caught anything.  (Skill 260ish)  The friend that went with me was just learning to fish, and she caught nothing but gray trash.  No actual fish came up for either of us, but we were both getting skillups.  The loot window would pop, but it'd be empty for me, or gray trash for her.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;So I bugged another buddy with 450 skill, and he had the same issue I did.  Loot window pops, nothing in it.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;At this point, I'm scratching my head.  What's going  on?  Now here's the really strange part.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I had a friend that plays a horde alt, so I asked him to see if he could catch fish in the same area.  He gets there, and starts fishing, has no issue.  Starts wandering around looking for me, and when he gets to where I'm standing....I'm not there.  I can see myself on my screen, but I can't see him and he can't see me.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Any ideas?
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			<title>Vessanoran on "Fishing in phased Orgrimmar?"</title>
			<link>http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/fishing-in-phased-orgrimmar#post-5274</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Vessanoran</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;Ok, so I got tired of getting ganked everytime I went to catch Old Crafty.  I finally got around to doing the quest chain (up to: &#34;Fate, Up Against Your Will&#34;) a couple days ago, so that I could fish worry free in phased Orgrimmar. &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;The first night: 750+ casts... nothin (well, a BUNCH of Mud Snapper's)&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;The second night: 150+ casts... MORE Mud Snapper's&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;The third night: 3.1 dropped... went to go try my luck... WTH? I couldnt catch anything!&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Does anyone know if they changed it so you can no longer fish while on this quest?
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			<title>Kelemeth on "3.0.8 changes to fishing daily quests"</title>
			<link>http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/308-changes-to-fishing-daily-quests#post-4046</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Kelemeth</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;[Crocolisks in the city] has changed a bit in 3.0.8, and could annoy many.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;First off, as with the other fishing dailies, it takes multiple casts to reel in the quest fish. It took me 12 casts to get my Baby croc. I was fishing in Orgrimmar for Old crafty since I heard his drop rate increases to an almost guarentee. However, in those 12 casts. Old crafty did not appear once. It seems Blizzard have fixed this &#34;bug&#34; so having the quest will no longer drop Old crafty at an increased rate. This means, as far as I can see, people will have to go back to grinding for the Elusive fish of The Capital cities.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;The [Shrimpin' Ain't Easy] quest, against my first impression, does not drop on every catch now. It will use the drop rate of Barbed Gill Trout as it replaces that fish on the catch table.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;The [Felblood Fillet] quest now requires multiple casts. Caught one in 15 casts.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;The [Bait Bandits] quest also requires multiple casts. Caught on in 7 casts (Confirmed by &#34;Salty&#34; Norrinir)&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;The quest [The one that got away] requires multiple casts. (Posted by Norrinir)&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Seems the only quest really effected is [crocolisks in the city] in relation to Old crafty.
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			<title>zeusnjacky on "Old Crafty / Croc in the city / Dragonblight phased event / post 3.08"</title>
			<link>http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-crafty-croc-in-the-city-dragonblight-phased-event-post-308#post-4210</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>zeusnjacky</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;I have a few answers to several questions on these forums and wished I saw some of the replies here a few days ago.  &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I started fishing for old craft after doing the 'veteran of the wraithgate' quest but before I finished the chain so I could fish phased and not deal with the horde players / guards.  Anyhow I also saw the bug with the croc in the city and tried that.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;The result.  50 crocs and no crafty of which after a while I stopped tossing the croc.  After 900 fish still no crafty.  I became concerned even though I have heard the average is about 1500 fish not using the previous croc bug that blizzard might have made it impossible to catch crafty while phased.  There were actually two of us fishing so the total fish count was near 2K with no reward.  We both opened tickets to a GM to avoid 2 weeks of fishing for no reason.  Anyhow the GM response is that the phased event will have no effect on the ability to fish or catch special fish.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Conclusion.  The croc quest bug is fixed but alliance or horde for that matter can fish in phase for as long as they want and in theory should catch it at some point.  I'll update this forum if I am successful in that endevor before I have to bail and complete the chain quest to finish the elder achievement.
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			<title>Grorlond on "Vanity off-hands: A suggestion"</title>
			<link>http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/vanity-off-hands-a-suggestion#post-3785</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Grorlond</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;I think items that can currently be equipped in the off-hand but don't really do anything other than look cool should be changed to one-hand equip instead of off-hand. For instance, if Old Ironjaw and Old Crafty could be equipped in either hand, wouldn't it be awesome to walk around Dalaran dual-wielding Azeroth's most legendary urban fish? I can't think of a downside. I doubt twinks would get any unfair advantage from them, since the only stat they have is stamina, and aside from twinks, who wields OI and OC for any reason other than to look awesome?&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I actually had the same idea a while back when I got rather excited about the idea of carrying around a rose and a wine glass at the same time (don't ask), then realized to my chagrin that I couldn't do it because they're both off-hand items.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;At any rate ... if anyone else has any thoughts about this, whether you agree or simply think I'm a nut, please respond! Perhaps we can petition Blizzard to fix this. :)
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			<title>Teisemanden on "Bug with old crafty?"</title>
			<link>http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty#post-1830</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Teisemanden</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;Okay, so im out fishing after patch 3.0.2 and im fishing in orgrimmar to clean up daily fishing Q.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Im very excited when i catch the old crafty on first hook, &#34;damn, i must've been lucky&#34;. when i then, only 1 hook after the last one, get another old crafy i get suspicious.. a few hooks after.. another crafty. as im writing, i've caught 4 old craftys in what.. 30 minuts?&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Picture: &#60;a href=&#34;http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oldcraftyswowgd0.jpg&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oldcraftyswowgd0.jpg&#60;/a&#62;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;So what im asking is; has anyone else caught incredible many craftys? &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Cheers. &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;-Dark&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Edit: Another crafty caught, makes it 5 craftys in 40 mins&#60;br /&#62;
2nd edit: another one, you do the math
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			<title>Kahless on "The Wrathgate and fishing in Orgrimmar."</title>
			<link>http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/wratgate-and-fate-up-against-your-will#post-2831</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Kahless</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;I saw a hint about this mentioned somewhere but I thought I'd start a thread on it here.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;So I finished the Wrathgate quest line in Dragonblight today and I'm doing the followup quest &#34;Fate, Up Against Your Will&#34;&#60;br /&#62;
This quest sends you to Orgrimmar on a diplomatic mission to speak with Warchief Thrall.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;At first I though I was instanced since there are Guards but they don't attack and there are no other NPCs or players.&#60;br /&#62;
Turns out it's the real Orgrimmar, just &#34;filtered&#34; using some new mechanic that Blizz has added to the game.&#60;br /&#62;
Other players can't see you and you can't see them unless they are on the same quest.&#60;br /&#62;
NPCs that you can see are altered by the quest.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;The upside is you can fish in Orgrammar as long as you like without guards or players attacking you.&#60;br /&#62;
I will not turn in this quest until I have caught Old Crafty.&#60;br /&#62;
With a little luck I may catch the really big catfish while I'm at it.
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			<title>Norrinir on "Old Crafty bug - Another point of view."</title>
			<link>http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-crafty-bug-another-point-of-view#post-2377</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Norrinir</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;Hey fellow fisherman/women.&#60;br /&#62;
This is my first time posting here. Although I visit this site few months, I didn't need to write anything. So, before I ask, I'd like to thank El for this wonderful site and fishing luck it gave to me, and of course everyone posting here for lots of useful information.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I wasn't really interested in Old Crafty/Ironjaw before. I've won Fishing tournament, got few parts of fishing gear, got Pinchy's pet.. so I didn't think I'd ever want to catch those. Achievements didn't change much, because those weren't part of Salty achievement.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;However, now, when there's pretty bug with Old Crafty and fishing daily quest. I had to make really painful decision. Seeing as my friends fished Crafty within merely tens catches, I tought, I have to do only two fishing achievements and I'm done with all currently obtainable. Crafty seemed as best place to start. However, as a patient fisherman (although I won't argue with other, there are more patient that I am; it took me only 1100 to get rare fish..), I though it wouldn't be fair to do this achievement thanks to this bug.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I've chosen the hard way. After Old Ironjaw on 130th catch, I had good mood and went to Org next day. No success in Valley of Honor, so I ended in water under mage trainers in Valley of Spirits (at least, I think it's the name of it). 1100 casts and nothing, I went back next day and caught it finally within another 400-500 casts.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Now, my question: Do you think that fisherman should take advantage of this bug and get rid of this painful grind? What would you do, what do you think about it?&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;(P.S.: Nobody on my server can confirm if it does still work after patch 3.0.3. We had that daily only on this weekend, nothing after patch 3.0.3. So, my question might be out-of-date)&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;And please, be tolerant to my English, I'm trying to do my best.
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			<title>Ladoran on "Grrr!  He IS crafty!"</title>
			<link>http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/grrr-he-is-crafty#post-1944</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Ladoran</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;Hello! So I was fishing in Orgrimmar for about 2 hours last night behind the waterfall.  Got a couple green items, some leatherworking plans.... no Crafty.  I was bored and about to quit so I went and stood out in the open and fished some more.  Strangely enough people just kept running past, no one bothered me.  10 minutes later a little orc comes running up to me and starts to fish next to me.  About 7 casts later HE catches Crafty and I see his achievment box pop up!!  I /clap and /cheer for him and he /cheer back.  We kept fishing for another 10 minutes before I said /bye and left.  How frustrating is that!!
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			<title>reddrake on "fishing- old ironjaw, old crafty"</title>
			<link>http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/fishing-old-ironjaw-old-crafty#post-1400</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>reddrake</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;I posted this in the WoW suggestion forum:&#60;br /&#62;
&#60;a href=&#34;http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043245384&#38;#38;sid=1&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043245384&#38;#38;sid=1&#60;/a&#62;&#60;/p&#62;
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#  Topic Fishing- old crafty, old ironjaw&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Since a lot of people will be getting these obscure fish due to the added achievements, I was thinking it would be cool if they were changed to be one handed instead of specifically offhand items. In that same line of thinking it would be cool if they had some kind of a 2 set bonus proc like, &#34;Chance on hit- target is afflicted with walleye vision.&#34;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Walleye vision would place a debuff on the target that would make all other NPCs and players look like frogs or maybe change that players view to be distorted like its namesake.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Post some more cool procs these fish could do.&#60;br /&#62;
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&#60;p&#62;If you guys think this is cool post your ideas. Thanks!
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