http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/tags/pools Discussion about fishing in World of Warcraft. en-US Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:02:17 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/search.php http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/biggest-concentration-of-pools-for-turtle-mount/page/3#post-7299 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:29:49 +0000 sooptime 7299@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I posted a week ago and shortly after, I landed her. I chose to go to the glaciers off of South Borean. Others were raiding but I decided to take it easy and do my usual routine fishing. It came out of a pool at the southern-most edge of the glaciers next to a small one. I used my fishing hat and one of the +100 glow worms. I couldn't tell you if it helped.</p> <p>I immediately mounted it and swam for shore with it and landed on the beach in east borean and took some screenies. He is definitely one of my favorites. I sit in Dal and pop him in and out of his shell. I take him off "run" and casually stroll with him.</p> <p>Btw, I had fished up over 18K items by the time I got her. My friend has her on 2 of her toons now, but she is just lucky that way. Some of us have to be more persistent. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7291 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:38:32 +0000 Leny 7291@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I find this to be a horrible idea..... two things that kind of set me out in my guild was my habit for paying huge amounts for non-combat pets and fishing </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7290 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:06:27 +0000 Gned 7290@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I'm feeling pretty abused over the new fishing changes. Mostly because my invested time and efforts are at least partially meaningless now. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/biggest-concentration-of-pools-for-turtle-mount/page/3#post-7273 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:09:25 +0000 Meryll 7273@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I'm on a good 4,7k casts myself. (resat counters when it was added) and so far nothing. The turtle and STV is what seems to be eluding me.<br /> But I am persistant (read: stubborn), so I will continue to fish for it. In order to gather motivation, I am not going for the mount specifically, but instead set myself a goal of certain amounts of fish to catch. Fish I either intend to sell, or cook and sell.<br /> One day it could be 50-60 Angelfish, another it could be 70-80 Glacial Salmons. </p> <p>I feel that helps abit. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/biggest-concentration-of-pools-for-turtle-mount/page/3#post-7262 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:58:34 +0000 sooptime 7262@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Last night's fishing brought my total fish and other things caught up ~1200 to 16766. No turtle yet. A friend gained hers after ~8K caught. I fished all pools from Dragonblight around HF to GH in the East and back again through to Coldaara. It has been a bit disappointing but during my fishing experience I have paid for my chopper and several other items and mounts through using cooking and my fishing mats, so all is not lost. It's a bit frustrating because I need 1 more mount aside from my last Tourney mount to reach the 100 mark. Not one to give up though. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7249 Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:59:44 +0000 Durth 7249@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Oh I forgot to mention the 5 tab Guild bank and all the gold spent tipping other people for enchants and gemming and such. Some people laugh when you put cooking in trade but I think most os us here know better. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7248 Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:47:43 +0000 Durth 7248@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Having paid for 2 epic flyers and a mechano hog just by selling food Im not to excited about this. On the other hand though its not like its really that easy to fish for this stuff without being attacked at lower levels. A level 1fishing glacial salmon pools is going to get hit by a bear or the opposing faction at the lumber mill. Lloot crazed divers are at the sculpin lake in Borean Tundra. Nettlefish ahve all sorts of animals runnnig around their pools. Im just not sure how this will all shake out. I dont like professions being easy. Going through the bs to get them leveled was the only thing keeping the market at a certain level. A lot of people just wouldnt bother but now its always getting easier and easier. Plus it makes me feel old and grumpy :p </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7246 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:36:08 +0000 el 7246@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Here are some more discussions on the official forums:</p> <p><a href="http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20677230833" rel="nofollow">http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20677230833</a><br /> <a href="http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11155812409" rel="nofollow">http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11155812409</a></p> <p>Pool fishing involves moving around, looking for specific things in the water. Pools are the closest we currently have to the Cataclysm method of fishing mentioned at BlizzCon (hooking specific fish you can see swimming). Encouraging pool fishing in this patch makes a lot of sense. In fact, it may be an attempt to demonstrate that a more interactive method of fishing can be popular. Although people here <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/poll/#poll8">tend to mostly fish from pools</a>, over all players open water <a href="http://timhowgego.com/where-we-fish.html#pools">is much more popular</a>. So trying to make the least popular aspect of fishing more popular might be logical overall, even if we see things differently.</p> <p>Of course leveling fishing skill (and specifically leveling alongside cooking) appears (same source) to account for a significant proportion of fishing activity. There's a risk of simply making the whole cycle pointless: Nobody needs to level fishing skill, so nobody fishes. Rationally, you'd counter that by arguing that if people didn't want to fish, they would not have levelled fishing skill. However Joanna Average WoW player transpires to be surprisingly irrational. "That 1/450 bar needs to be filled!" "<em>One day</em> I'll want to farm <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/mr_pinchy.html" title="Fish Finder: Mr. Pinchy." class="nocolor" rel="item=27388">Mr. Pinchy</a>..." I'm sure we've all been there, even if we find a reason to justify our actions. A superficial (or worse, pure economist) understanding of that irrationality is a dangerous thing.</p> <p>Traditionally the role of fishing skill has been to test patience. Patience is the main requirement for fishing. And requiring 10 or 15 hours of fishing before an angler can catch the good stuff, is what separated "us from them". It's also classic EverQuest-style grinding, that used to be common in WoW: Do the same thing over-and-over, before you can do what you actually wanted to do.</p> <p>Patch 3.1 <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/the_role_of_skill.html">started to dilute</a> the test of patience. 3.3 dilutes it so far we're struggling to see a purpose.</p> <p>The basic problem for fishing (and all WoW professions) is that there was never a <em>hard part</em> that followed the "pointless grind" of skilling-up. So removing the need for skill means that everyone can do it immediately. Consequently, there's nothing exclusive or special for anglers who are prepared to put a lot of work into the profession.</p> <p>Or is there? Ah, but there is! At least for fishing. Take a step back and look at this forum. Or perhaps earlier in the year, when things were busier: The most popular topics are about catching the <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/sea_turtle.html" title="Fish Finder: Sea Turtle." class="nocolor" rel="item=46109">Sea Turtle</a>, Pinchy, One that Got Away. Listen to the furvor with which people defend (or are annoyed by) the Salty title. All things that are a serious test of patience, and provide the angler with something to care about, something exclusive that is valued among those they play with.</p> <p>Now, there are all kind of issues with this form of non-monetary, individualistic consumerism. And I suspect we'll eventually laugh at the paradox of how Blizzard's attempt to counter inequalities that exist outside of the game (by blocking Real Money Trading), has actually created one of the most unequal communities within the game (by trying to prevent the trade of anything perceived to have value). But that's a philosophical discussion for another time. We are where we are. And right now we're in a land where titles, mounts, and other apparently useless things have the greatest sense of value.</p> <p>Why not go further? No computer-incremented skills whatsoever. Instead (if fishing still is a test of human patience) add far more <em>apparently useless</em>, but rare, things that take patience to acquire. (Rare doesn't imply strictly random - <em>rare but less variable</em> - for example a Sea Turtle might take 4,000-5,000 casts, not 1-~25,000 casts - excessive variability causes frustration as the mind either can't understand the pattern, or feels the pattern is unfair.) Or perhaps associate fishing with something other than patience.</p> <p>There are lots of possibilities following this line of thought: But perhaps the value of fishing shouldn't be thought of in terms of the ability to catch buff food. Increasingly, the real prestige is a Turtle-mounted Salty with a Crawdad in tow. Or similar. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7245 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:24:47 +0000 Feiwong 7245@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Guys...</p> <p>I've opened a suggestion thread complaining about this change... so if anyone wants to support it, please do</p> <p><a href="http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20677232908&amp;postId=206753341510&amp;sid=1#2" rel="nofollow">http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20677232908&amp;postId=206753341510&amp;sid=1#2</a></p> <p>Best regards,<br /> Gustavo </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7240 Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:01:55 +0000 Utopia 7240@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Sadly it seems we anglers are becoming another victim of the dumbing-down in the name of accessibility which is sweeping through wow...... </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7229 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:28:31 +0000 Al 7229@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>/agree </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7228 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:54:16 +0000 Kamaria 7228@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>This is all so depressing<br /> :( </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7224 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:31:07 +0000 Averiy 7224@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>The three fish required for a fish feast can be pool caught, it's true, but the most efficient way to catch them is in Wintergrasp, where they are caught from open water in a near equal ratio, so that you don't have many fish of any one kind left over. This you cannot do without fishing skill. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7223 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:36:33 +0000 mikado 7223@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Was fishing very hard to begin with? Did it need all the past and future nerfs it's received? Don't get me wrong, I am excited about the tournament, but making it so that anyone can participate just by clicking "learn fishing"? I think that's a bit much. I don't see the point of this change.</p> <p>Next up: mine titanium with lvl1 mining skill and herb in Storm Peaks with lvl1 herbalism skill. But no, these are primary professions and too many folks would throw a fit if that happened. But fishing is just some trash secondary profession and noone will care, amirite? </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7218 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:49:33 +0000 Gizel 7218@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p><cite>el <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7216" title="View original post.">wrote</a>:</cite></p> <blockquote><p><cite>DarkMime64 <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7215" title="View original post.">wrote</a>:</cite></p> <blockquote><p>So we level fishing now for... what purpose exactly? </p></blockquote> <p>To be able to equip that <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/poles.html#arcanite_fishing_pole" title="Poles: Arcanite Fishing Pole." class="nocolor" rel="item=19970">Arcanite Fishing Pole</a>, which gives a +40 bonus to skill, which you need to... erm, hold on. There are still fish that cannot be caught from pools - the <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/dalaran.html" title="Fish Finder: Dalaran.">Dalaran</a> fountain, Old Azeroth fish used to level cooking, etc. But it's hard to answer your question.<br /> I'd rephrase the question: <strong>Why have fishing skill at all?</strong></p></blockquote> <p>Djakar. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7216 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:21:43 +0000 el 7216@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p><cite>DarkMime64 <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7215" title="View original post.">wrote</a>:</cite></p> <blockquote><p>So we level fishing now for... what purpose exactly?</p> </blockquote> <p>To be able to equip that <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/poles.html#arcanite_fishing_pole" title="Poles: Arcanite Fishing Pole." class="nocolor" rel="item=19970">Arcanite Fishing Pole</a>, which gives a +40 bonus to skill, which you need to... erm, hold on. There are still fish that cannot be caught from pools - the <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/dalaran.html" title="Fish Finder: Dalaran.">Dalaran</a> fountain, Old Azeroth fish used to level cooking, etc. But it's hard to answer your question.</p> <p>I'd rephrase the question: <strong>Why have fishing skill at all?</strong> </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7215 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:55:35 +0000 DarkMime64 7215@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>So we level fishing now for... what purpose exactly?</p> <p>I'm assuming, then, that a character with 1 skill in Cooking can make a Fish Feast, too.<br /> And someone with 1 skill in First Aid can make Frostweave Bandages.</p> <p>No? Oh.. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7214 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:51:21 +0000 Trigot 7214@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>This is horrible its just another easy button to lame out the game. Its no longer going to be anything to be proud of because its somthing a lvl 1 can go and do with no fishing skill. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7213 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:26:47 +0000 Robodin 7213@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>There goes the fishing market, if any schmuck with 1 fishing skill can fish up mats for whatever food they need :/ </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7211 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:40:23 +0000 el 7211@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I assume it means that with skill 1 you can successfully catch fish from any pool anywhere - even places like <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/the_frozen_sea.html" title="Fish Finder: The Frozen Sea.">The Frozen Sea</a>.</p> <p>Update: It's true. Skill 1-6: 5 <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/glassfin_minnow.html" title="Fish Finder: Glassfin Minnow." class="nocolor" rel="item=41814">Glassfin Minnow</a> from a <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/glassfin_minnow_school.html" title="Fish Finder: Glassfin Minnow School.">Glassfin Minnow School</a>. 0 Trash. The next 5 casts into open water all yielded junk.</p> <p>This means the new <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/kaluak_fishing_derby.html" title="Contests: Kalu'ak Fishing Derby - When and where the Kalu'ak Fishing Derby takes places, what you have to do to compete, and what rewards you can gain.">Kalu'ak Fishing Derby</a> requires fishing skill 1. Also opens up some interesting new options for leveling fishing - a direct choice between speed and gaining valuable fish. </p>