http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/tags/skill Discussion about fishing in World of Warcraft. en-US Tue, 14 Feb 2012 06:58:14 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.3 q http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/search.php http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/skill-up-change-in-43#post-10654 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 19:08:00 +0000 Robbingo 10654@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I'm not sure what the skill rate was before hand, but today I was fishing for the Sea Pony so around darkmoon isle, and I went from skill 362 to 497 in 656 casts, so on average 5 casts per level. I seem to remember it being more that that before the patch. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/skill-up-change-in-43#post-10642 Fri, 02 Dec 2011 21:37:27 +0000 el 10642@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Second test from pools now complete: 100-525 in the Frozen Sea (I even found the PTR <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/sea_turtle.html" title="Fish Finder: Sea Turtle." class="nocolor" rel="item=46109">Sea Turtle</a> I failed to catch during testing for patch 3.1). No change in the pattern. Total number of catches required was 4% lower than the Stormwind open water test above, but that can be explained away by the wide variations we're seeing - a little luck with the Random Number Generator can make a big difference.</p> <p>Overall, my gut feeling is that there haven't been any other changes, such as variations in skill-up by location of water fished or fish caught.</p> <p>Unfortunately the variations mean that we're unlikely to ever get an answer to a few lingering questions, like whether the guild perk "Working Overtime" now influences fishing: A 10% variation is very hard to demonstrate conclusively here. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/skill-up-change-in-43#post-10640 Thu, 01 Dec 2011 19:02:32 +0000 el 10640@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>This graph gives a flavour of the variations:</p> <p><a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/images/4_3_skillups_stormwind.png">http://www.elsanglin.com/images/4_3_skillups_stormwind.png</a></p> <p>My initial analysis concluded these average catch numbers per skill point (at each range of fishing skill):</p> <ul> <li>1-100: 1.0</li> <li>100-200: 1.6</li> <li>200-300: 1.9</li> <li>300-450: 3.6</li> <li>450-525: 5.5</li> </ul> <p>But as you can hopefully see from the graph, that pattern is likely an over-oversimplification. Unfortunately it will take a lot more data to explore that further. And that's assuming no further variations, like location or gear or pools, or anything else that might have changed (but probably hasn't). </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/skill-up-change-in-43#post-10639 Thu, 01 Dec 2011 17:22:11 +0000 Middledane 10639@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>He he. Today it shows that my experience from yesterday, is absolutely WRONG. ;-) </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/skill-up-change-in-43#post-10638 Thu, 01 Dec 2011 17:13:28 +0000 el 10638@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Don't worry - it's getting halved in Stormwind too. Unfortunately as the process becomes more variable, all sorts of patterns emerge to deceive the angler. (And sometime they transpire true, but normally only after assembling mountains of data...) </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/skill-up-change-in-43#post-10637 Thu, 01 Dec 2011 17:05:43 +0000 Middledane 10637@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>It seams like catching trash, trickers a "buf" which halves the number of catches needed for a skill level.<br /> Not 100% sure though, but it seams like that's happening..... </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/skill-up-change-in-43#post-10636 Thu, 01 Dec 2011 17:00:35 +0000 el 10636@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Thanks donquixote235. I'm currently working through 1-525. The process has become much more variable (after 300, especially after 450). Some random commentary can be found <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/elsanglin">on Twitter</a>. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/skill-up-change-in-43#post-10635 Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:06:39 +0000 donquixote235 10635@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p><strong>El says: For a current skill-up table, see <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/role_of_skill.html" title="Start: Fishing Skill - Introduces the concept of fishing skill, and explains how your skill will increase with successful catches.">Fishing Skill</a>.</strong> Original topic below:</p> <p>I'm currently grinding fishing on an alt, and I noticed a change in the way the game grants skill-ups now.</p> <p>Under the old method, fishing would take an average of X casts to get a skill-up, e.g. around 10 casts to get from 345 to 346. It appears that now it grants a skill-up after anywhere from 1 to X casts, e.g. to get from 345 to 346 it could still take 10, but you could get it after 5 casts or even 1 cast. And it looks like it's weighted toward less casts, rather than more.</p> <p>To give you an example, here's the past few skill-ups I've gotten:</p> <p>340-341: 2 casts<br /> 341-342: 3 casts<br /> 342-343: 2 casts<br /> 343-344: 4 casts<br /> 344-345: 3 casts<br /> 345-346: 7 casts<br /> 346-347: 5 casts<br /> 347-348: 4 casts<br /> 348-349: 2 casts<br /> 349-350: 1 cast</p> <p>Happy fishing! </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/number-of-fish-to-skill-up#post-10586 Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:37:47 +0000 jjuls 10586@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Remember when the top fishing skill was 300? Yes, you would start fishing at level 1 and every single fish would skill you up. Then after a while, it was 2 or 3 fish to skill up. Finally, standing at Steamwheedle Port or wherever your favorite place was and making that final push to 300, it was 10-11 fish to skill up. But you knew you were almost done! And then you hit that wonderful 300 and yay! You were skilled up! You would never ever have to skill up fishing again!</p> <p>Oops.</p> <p>Now fishing's up to 525 and soon to be even more, and every skill still takes 10-11 fish. Sure there's a fishing quest, but that's maybe one point a day. That's a lot o' fish, especially if one has alts.</p> <p>I think they need to prorate it a bit, considering how high fishing skill goes now. I still have about 5 alts with abysmally low fishing skill (actually in the 300 range but that's abysmal now). Make the 10-11 fish stage come starting at 525 to whatever stratospheric level it's going to be in the panda expansion. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/your-fish-got-away#post-10028 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 08:21:38 +0000 el 10028@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>It's <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/cataclysm-fishing-bugs-and-oddities">a bug</a> that occurs at low skill in a few locations. You should be able to skill-up by changing location, or possibly by using a lure. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/your-fish-got-away#post-10026 Sun, 23 Jan 2011 07:05:50 +0000 dacovale 10026@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>"Your fish got away!"<br /> This little cute message made a comeback for me today when I rerolled and started fishing for the daily.</p> <p>Player lvl: 11<br /> Fishing Skill: 1<br /> Lure: none<br /> Pole: [Fishing Pole]<br /> Location: Goblin Slums, Orgrimmar<br /> Active quest: [No Dumping Allowed]</p> <p>The message is consistent and appears every time I clicked the bobber after the splash, just as it would be if I had tried to fish in a city pond prior to the shift to junk catches instead of missed fishes.</p> <p>I'm curious if anyone else sees this or if I'm missing something here.</p> <p>ah, and yes, I know it's not very efficient to fish in open waters with my skill. I wasn't really bothered by the thought of dipping the bobber a few times extra. Missed catches still doesn't give skillups though, so this bug/change/feature/whatever made my fishing impossible.</p> <p>EDIT: forgot to include <a href="http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h425/janduin/WoWScrnShot_012311_074705-forEL.jpg">screenshot</a> </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/maximized-fishing-skill#post-7570 Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:23:36 +0000 Tarqq 7570@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>This Sunday I'm going for the total max @ fishing, I only need to catch the<br /> Dezian Queenfish, to put the Eternium line to my pole.<br /> Since 1st post was outdated bij the Kalu'ak derby (&amp; other changes),<br /> here are the new max stats.</p> <p>Here is what I (almost***) got equipped :</p> <p>- Arcanite Fishing Pole (+40)<br /> - Eternium line *** (+5)<br /> - Weather beaten fishing hat ( +5)<br /> - Boots of the bay (+15)<br /> - Gloves Enchanted (+5)<br /> - Captain Rumsey's Lager (10min) (+10)<br /> - Glowworm (1hr) (+100)<br /> - Base skill (+450) +<br /> ---------------<br /> 630</p> <p>Happy fishing,<br /> Tarqq (Terokkar/EU)</p> <p>Ps. With the Tuskarr buff you could gain 680, but I think its a hassle. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7535 Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:41:19 +0000 Renetta 7535@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I don't really have a strong attitude in many ways. Yes Salty is my preferred title because I like fishing and it's the perfect title for a squid (I mean draenei). But I actually disagree that fishing is becoming less patient driven. Getting fishing to 450 takes not a lot of patience. There is constant short-term reward (oh another tick, uh here is something funny I fished up, do old world pool achievement to break the monotony, visit nat pagle etc etc).</p> <p>Rather this is being replaced with things that for some, though not all requires a lot of patience. The one that didn't get away took me over 7.5k casts (I think the general believe is that the average is around 1k) if I remember correctly and made me vow to never fish for an extremely low drop achievement again. Well I didn't stick to it. Now I'm at way over 12k on the turtle without luck (here it seems that people converge on a believe that the average is 4-5k) and patient permitting I may fish indefinitely without any reward whatsoever. So yeah rare _is_ random, else I'd have both much earlier.</p> <p>I for one have never ever felt my patience tested so much as in the new system, not the old. But yeah, some may have been more lucky and hence don't even know that patience may be required. I certainly don't complain that I got my old ironjaw on my very first cast, that indeed didn't take any patience to do. That said, for many of us getting all fishing achievements is way harder than doing the old fishing skill leveling was. If someone doesn't understand that you simply got lucky.</p> <p>I like the BB contest. This is not a test of patience. It's a test of preparation, planning, swift decision making and some luck. But luck is but one factor and one can work to bend the odds one way and many who do the contest will see their fish counts go up with experience. Before I won I had two contests where I was 1 fish short - that's the margin of error the contest had when you are prepared and do all the right things. The new fishing contest is just Vegas though and I am only happy it's in the game because it at least doubles up on the chance to get a turtle as well.</p> <p>In fact the relationship is reversed now. If you are unlucky you need extreme patience with limited short-term reward. Yes if you are lucky you need no patience at all. So if the complaint is that fishing moves away from patience to luck I might actually agree. But from how it sounds there will be some skill added to the equation and frankly I'd rather work on things I can control than fish 10k pools for nothing at all (well except the ability to completely destroy the value of fish in the AH for a good while).</p> <p>So yes I hate the new system, nothing resembles disillusion more than weeks of solid fishing without any sign of reward or any promise that reward will ever come - but making skill leveling easier now and possibly removing it later doesn't move me at all. In fact I welcome it.</p> <p>Ultimately in terms of game design as a whole, the EQ model is dead. WoW has discovered that the time people have is constant, so if you add new stuff you have to obsolete old mechanisms to keep things to do in balance with people's time. Else the game becomes inaccessible for newcomers because they'd have to catch up 5 years worth of gaming to be where the original population got. A phenomenon not unfamiliar in EQ, and while relished by some, really a bad idea to keep a game community together. The WoW model is sustainable, but yes requires that people accept change and that old way to get to X will be replaced by a new way to get to X that may in fact be much faster.</p> <p>MMOs are about renewal. Yes we farmed 1 year of Molten Core 3 days a week for T1 sets. They are worthless now. One can focus on that and how unfair it is that people now get T9 for running heroics not requiring the wipes and patience and learning, or one can recognize that it was fun while doing it and look forward and appreciate the new content that comes ones way. </p> <p>On Cataclysm fishing I reserve judgment until I have seen it, but looking backwards won't be how I'll be judging it. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/maximized-fishing-skill#post-7527 Mon, 04 Jan 2010 01:51:01 +0000 Gummo 7527@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p><a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/poles.html#arcanite_fishing_pole" title="Poles: Arcanite Fishing Pole." class="nocolor" rel="item=19970">Arcanite Fishing Pole</a> has been +40 fishing for a while, and there is now a +5 fishing enchant.</p> <p>Lures are still useful for non-pool fishing, but, yeah... </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/maximized-fishing-skill#post-7525 Mon, 04 Jan 2010 01:37:18 +0000 Shreda 7525@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Given that it is now impossible to catch junk, i see no point in lures even existing. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7523 Mon, 04 Jan 2010 01:22:06 +0000 Shreda 7523@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>THIS SUCKS! I SPENT WEEKS TRAINING THAT SKILL AND NOW WE DON'T NEED IT?! WHAT WAS THE POINT IN THIS! WHY DID I SPEND 2 GOLD ON LURES. I HATE YOU BLIZZARD!</p> <p>Sorry, I had to do something dramatic </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7291 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:38:32 +0000 Leny 7291@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I find this to be a horrible idea..... two things that kind of set me out in my guild was my habit for paying huge amounts for non-combat pets and fishing </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7290 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:06:27 +0000 Gned 7290@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I'm feeling pretty abused over the new fishing changes. Mostly because my invested time and efforts are at least partially meaningless now. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7249 Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:59:44 +0000 Durth 7249@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Oh I forgot to mention the 5 tab Guild bank and all the gold spent tipping other people for enchants and gemming and such. Some people laugh when you put cooking in trade but I think most os us here know better. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/33-no-trash-in-fishing-pools#post-7248 Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:47:43 +0000 Durth 7248@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Having paid for 2 epic flyers and a mechano hog just by selling food Im not to excited about this. On the other hand though its not like its really that easy to fish for this stuff without being attacked at lower levels. A level 1fishing glacial salmon pools is going to get hit by a bear or the opposing faction at the lumber mill. Lloot crazed divers are at the sculpin lake in Borean Tundra. Nettlefish ahve all sorts of animals runnnig around their pools. Im just not sure how this will all shake out. I dont like professions being easy. Going through the bs to get them leveled was the only thing keeping the market at a certain level. A lot of people just wouldnt bother but now its always getting easier and easier. Plus it makes me feel old and grumpy :p </p>