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El's Extreme Anglin' - WoW Fishing Guide » Topic: Bug with old crafty? http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty Discussion about fishing in World of Warcraft. en-US Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:58:59 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.3 <![CDATA[Search]]> q http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/search.php Waurlocke on "Bug with old crafty?" http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty/page/3#post-8190 Tue, 13 Apr 2010 12:09:38 +0000 Waurlocke 8190@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ Ok, this fish has just turned me off. I thought it would be cool to start fishing at a low level, picked it up around 33, went to nat pagle at 34, realised my fail and came back at 35. So there i was, with a brand new, great fishing pole for my level, after many a corpse run, and a swim from BB to the Swamp of Sorrows. I decided, why not go for old crafty? As this is my first real horde over my years. To date, i have fished up around 2.5k fish in the valley of honor alone. Mind you that got me The 1 Ring, i also took a little break to head off to STV, which gave me my Nat Pagle fishin' boots. I levelled fishing, from around 200, to 450 and beyond looking for this little blighter, to no avail. Sadly the glitch has been fixed, i can't level up to Outlands, and grabs the crocs quest. I even put up a ticket to a GM, in a humourous tone, hoping for some info on the whole thing, or just someone to chat to with more than half a brain. But my response was of course - 99% Standard (I'm very gald you put up a ticket, the support team loves tickets, we hope we can continue to please you when it comes to tickets, if you want to read more on tickets, please put up a ticket and one of our staff will read your ticket as soon as possible.) and 1% (Make sure you aren't on the Wrathgate quest line in phased Orgrimmar, or that you are actually fishing IN Orgrimmar). Thanks Blizz, i was clearly fishing in Stormwind, i'm a Gnome, DEFINITELY not a Fundead Warlock at level 35, as clearly stated in the ticket I've given up, i left for dalaran and got The Coin Master within 2-3 days of fishing, and i am now levelling, as well as fishing the odd pools for guildies and various achievements, going for the Derby and Extravaganza as well. To date i have 4k Fish and other things caught, in about a week. Thank you Old Crafty for over half of that. EDIT: Caught after 2.6k fish in the valley of honor. Was going to be my last cast before i turned the laptop off. Thank god. Arrowsflight on "Bug with old crafty?" http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty/page/2#post-3959 Sun, 18 Jan 2009 02:52:05 +0000 Arrowsflight 3959@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ Just got the Crocolisk quest, headed to Ogr. and was in the Valley of the Spirits Fished maybe 15 minutes, here's my catches (no raid, no auto loot): Longjaw Mud Snapper 18 : 28.1% Bristle Whisker Catfish 8 : 12.5% Brilliant Smallfish 6 : 9.4% Baby Crocolisk 20 : 46.9% 17 Pound Catfish 1: 1.6% Old Crafty 1: 1.6% I looted no fish, but the tracker still marks it even if it's not looted. So if the quest thing is changed in the PTR, then I'd say people better get the quest quick before this method is no longer working. Worked for me, I'm ecstatic! el on "Bug with old crafty?" http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty/page/2#post-3945 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:01:31 +0000 el 3945@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ Quick sample on the current PTR, with the Crocs quest, in <a href="/fish/?s=Orgrimmar" title="Fish Finder - Orgrimmar.">Orgrimmar</a>, as Alliance: 60 catches, of which 6 also fished up a <a href="/fish/?s=Baby Crocolisk" title="Fish Finder - Baby Crocolisk.">Baby Crocolisk</a> (I threw the quest fish back in immediately). Zero Old Crafty catches. That's not entirely conclusive, but it looks like the quest is not giving "free" Old Crafties in 3.0.8. Spackler on "Bug with old crafty?" http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty/page/2#post-3944 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:20:13 +0000 Spackler 3944@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ Saw this post, on Auchindoun Crocs in the City is today's daily. Went for Old Crafty in IF. No difference. Still no old crafty. Anyone reporting an increased droprate is incredibly lucky. Maybe there was a bug at one point, but it is fixed now. LucyInTheSky on "Bug with old crafty?" http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty/page/2#post-3921 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:40:13 +0000 LucyInTheSky 3921@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ That's not an unreasonable argument, that this could still be a bug. In a world where every Zune on earth <a href="http://www.aeroxp.org/2009/01/lesson-on-infinite-loops/">commits mass-suicide on December 31, 2008</a> I could certainly imagine someone typing <code>x *= 100</code> in the wrong place. I think we may be able to learn more once 3.0.8 comes out (<shock>that it's not out yet</shock>) but since you've clearly been on 3.0.8, can you tell us, el, if the catch rate is still artificially high for Old Crafty accompanying Baby Crocolisks on the PTR? I don't imagine it'd be terribly difficult to stay alive in Orgrimmar on a low-pop PTR, and there's always the waterfall. Still, Maaven's comment just seems too cute... And this is also a world where if you're starving and under attack by an Iron Golem you can polymorph into a Rust Monster and solve both problems, and wearing a ring of slow digestion stops you from being killed by the Purple Worm that just engulfed you: I cannot discount the possibility they're being cute. el on "Bug with old crafty?" http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty/page/2#post-3919 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:16:40 +0000 el 3919@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ As far as I know, WotLK first introduced spells (buffs, abilities) that change loot probability. We see it in the <a href="/fish/?s=Dalaran" title="Fish Finder - Dalaran.">Dalaran</a> fountain. This means that it is technically possible for Blizzard to alter the chance of a drop by "casting a spell". Passive spells are not seen by the player. It follows that any drop chance can now be linked to some other criteria. Perhaps having "Crocolisks in the City" on your quest log? Generally Blizzard do not write in effects that players have no reasonable way of discovering... Although it could be argued that the variation of certain fish by time of day was unlikely to be apparent to players. Nor the need to emote at chickens to trigger quests. And counter-argued that Blizzard did not repeat that in TBC or (as far as we can tell) WotLK. Of course it makes no sense to turn a ~1/1000 catch rate into a ~1/10 catch rate for a fish that is: <ol> <li>Not related to the daily quest.</li> <li>Has its rarity enshrined in an achievement, so logically should remain non-trivial.</li> <li>Is one of a pair, each with a faction-specific bias, where the change is not applied to the other fish in the pair, thus creating a faction bias.</li> </ol> Even if we have misunderstood the trigger, the final 2 points still stand. All of which makes Maaven's comment that "this is not a bug", curious. I could accept "this is not the bug" - because there clearly is a higher-level bug causing the single-catch daily quest fish to caught on the first catch. That bug was eventually fixed on the 3.0.8 Public Test Realm. But "this is not a bug" implies "this is intended". As outlined above, it would be technically possible, but not rational design. LucyInTheSky on "Bug with old crafty?" http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty/page/2#post-3906 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:05:57 +0000 LucyInTheSky 3906@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <cite>stanthemann <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty/page/2#post-3894" title="View original post.">wrote</a>:</cite> <blockquote>I certainly know the pains of trying to catch old crafty. Ever since I saw the salty achievement I wanted it. That is why I started to raise my fishing. I went out to Orgrimmar to go get the stupid fish, after getting Old Ironjaw after a mere hour of fishing in Ironforge, and started fishing in that cleverly hidden little alcove of rocks near the waterfall in the valley of honor. 3 hours later I was no longer excited, also more than a little anxious to get out because my fishing skill had hit max and i needed more training. But i perservered, and no more than 10 minutes after I left the alcove and went to the lake outside it, I caught the stupid thing. Now I have both but I am also wondering, can Old Crafty not be caught in the alcove???</blockquote> I will try using the <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=11665">Crocolisks in the City</a> trick to catch him under the Waterfall tonight. I've still got <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=13369">Fate, Up Against Your Will</a> so it shouldn't be too difficult. LucyInTheSky on "Bug with old crafty?" http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty/page/2#post-3905 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:54:16 +0000 LucyInTheSky 3905@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ I have more information, though this relates to <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34484">Old Ironjaw</a>. I just got back from Ironforge, where I fished in the pool in the Forlorn Cavern for an hour. I still had the <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=11665">Crocolisks in the City</a> quest in my log, still had no Baby Crocolisk in my inventory. I was not in a raid at the time. Autoloot was off the whole time. I managed to catch that Baby Crocolisk 26 times in the Forlorn Cavern pool. Sometimes I looted it and then threw it away, sometimes I just didn't loot it at all. Either way, not once did <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34484">Old Ironjaw</a> appear with him. I think it's safe to say that the Baby Crocolisk does not increase the odds of <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34484">Old Ironjaw</a> appearing in your catch. Perhaps <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34484">Old Ironjaw</a> doesn't share the taste for Baby Crocolisks that <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34486">Old Crafty</a> does? Given the ridiculously low drop rate of <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34484">Old Ironjaw</a> (1%? 0.1%?) it's obviously impossible to determine if the presence of a Baby Crocolisk in the catch or <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=11665">Crocolisks in the City</a> in the quest log has a negative effect on the catch rate, since the difference 0.2% or 0.1%, and 0% would only be distinguishable over a span of a couple thousand or more catches. Point is, however, 0/26 catches later, <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34484">Old Ironjaw's</a> absence can conclusively debunk the suggestion that the <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=11665">Crocolisks in the City</a> trick works for <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34484">Old Ironjaw</a>. stanthemann on "Bug with old crafty?" http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty/page/2#post-3894 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:13:28 +0000 stanthemann 3894@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ I certainly know the pains of trying to catch old crafty. Ever since I saw the salty achievement I wanted it. That is why I started to raise my fishing. I went out to Orgrimmar to go get the stupid fish, after getting Old Ironjaw after a mere hour of fishing in Ironforge, and started fishing in that cleverly hidden little alcove of rocks near the waterfall in the valley of honor. 3 hours later I was no longer excited, also more than a little anxious to get out because my fishing skill had hit max and i needed more training. But i perservered, and no more than 10 minutes after I left the alcove and went to the lake outside it, I caught the stupid thing. Now I have both but I am also wondering, can Old Crafty not be caught in the alcove??? LucyInTheSky on "Bug with old crafty?" http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty/page/2#post-3890 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:16:40 +0000 LucyInTheSky 3890@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ OK, I think I have a working theory. I first took <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=13369">Fate, Up Against Your Will</a> to get a cheap and easy way into Org, and then waited out the dailies until <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=11665">Crocolisks in the City</a> came up. I took that as well. At first I tried to do it in no group and with auto-loot on, but I kept getting the babies on the first pulls. I'd have to throw them away. Second try, I joined a raid and turned off auto loot. After 6 pulls I had him. Third try I left the raid, kept auto loot off. 9 more pulls and they both appeared. Old Crafty #2 and a Baby Crocolisk. Then I got a third, also when he appeared along with another Baby Crocolisk. Finally I tried about 30 pulls with the Baby Crocolisk in my inventory: Nothing. After that I got tired of catching him, finished my quests. The devs have made the <a href="http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=9ED40F5B6050F0832DF1D066B7E28932.app25_03?topicId=11296564497&sid=1">cryptic statement:</a> <blockquote>This is not a bug, nor do I think this is working as you think. (Maaven) </blockquote> Conclusion? Old Crafty likes to eat Baby Crocolisks! When you catch one on your line it becomes bait for him. 3 catches in < 30 pulls is well beyond the margin for error, the experiment is both reproducible and capable of being validated by changing the parameters: You cannot catch a second Baby Crocolisk, so you won't catch Crafty, at least not at the increased drop rate. As for being in the raid and catching him alone: Well, my theory is that being in a raid doesn't stop you from catching the Baby Crocolisk. It just stops it from appearing in your loot window, much like the <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34109">Weather-Beaten Journal</a> is invisible to you in a container if you already know Find Fish. I remember there was a time (I do not know if it is still possible) when people would sell "empty" trunks in trade channel. They knew there was an invisible journal in there because it would not disappear even after they'd removed all visible contents. Because they already knew Find Fish, they knew it had to be the Journal. I think Crafty's chasing the Baby Crocolisk which is only invisible because you're in a raid and cannot pick up quest items, just like the Weather-Beaten Journal. Lunaire on "Bug with old crafty?" http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty/page/2#post-2845 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:26:03 +0000 Lunaire 2845@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ Confirming that today this little bug is still working. After around 10 catches i got Crafty and the Baby Crocolisk. Had auto-loot off, and manually looted crafty first, then the quest item, worked fine :) Tsathoggua on "Bug with old crafty?" http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty/page/2#post-2842 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:27:11 +0000 Tsathoggua 2842@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ Happened to me in Orgrimmar just this weekend past. Caught Crafty and a Croc first cast, but was unable to loot Crafty, although it did let me loot the croc. I put in a GM ticket to see whether they knew about the bug, and whether the "no looting" was a hot fix, and decided to keep fishing in Orgrimmar whilst I waited for the GM's whisper [it was already late, and i too tired to successfully quest while waiting, but fishing was do-able]. Imagine my surprise when, with the Croc in my bags, I finally see a legitimate Crafty pop up half-an-hour later! The GM response, by the way, is that they know about the bug; the "no looting" is not a hotfix, but an inexplicable bug; and that despite my getting the achievement a half hour before getting a Crafty in my bags, they could not prove that I had caught him, so would not be able to supply a Crafty for the one that failed to loot [I'd got him legitimately, 'though, and did not want a replacement]. Phew! anniefish on "Bug with old crafty?" http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty/page/2#post-2815 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:31:24 +0000 anniefish 2815@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <cite>Marlene <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty/page/2#post-2813" title="View original post.">wrote</a>:</cite> <blockquote>Ok so I keep hearing a rumor about a Northrend quest that you can do that lets you go to the Horde cities without getting a beat down. Is that true? </blockquote> Yes, there is a chain quest in Dragonblight that takes you to a raid on Orgrimmar. The quest will port you there. After the quest you can ignore the port back and go fishing without being tagged pvp. I think the quest line (which I am just starting) is 72+ Marlene on "Bug with old crafty?" http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty/page/2#post-2813 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:38:16 +0000 Marlene 2813@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ Ok so I keep hearing a rumor about a Northrend quest that you can do that lets you go to the Horde cities without getting a beat down. Is that true? That would make old crafty a lot easier to get if I didn't have to worry about sneaking in. I saw a screen cap of a orc in stormwind so I think it might be true. (On wowinsider) But I can't seem to find the quest starting point. Anyone else know of this? Let me know. Marlene Tezuix on "Bug with old crafty?" http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty/page/2#post-2745 Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:02:14 +0000 Tezuix 2745@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ you don't even have to loot the croc, if there isnt a crafty just re-cast WITHOUT getting the loot from the previous cast abbyful on "Bug with old crafty?" http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty/page/2#post-2708 Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:59:06 +0000 abbyful 2708@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <cite>Noodleguitar <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty/page/2#post-2478" title="View original post.">wrote</a>:</cite> <blockquote>How to fish up Crafty and being able to loot it. If you use the bug with Crocolisks in the City you will eventually catch both the Croc and Old Crafty. How to get them both (Do all this when the confirmation box of looting Crafty is opened, assuming you use auto-loot): Loot the Croc, then delete it from your inventory. When done that, accept the BoP looting of Old Crafty. Now you have both items in your inventory. If you try to loot Crafty before taking the Croc it says it can not loot the item. </blockquote> Actually, I found it to be the exact opposite for me. If I looted Crafty first, then the croc, I could loot both. If I looted the croc first, then tried to loot Crafty, it gives an error. I manually click to loot, so perhaps it's something with autoloot that bugs it out as described in the quote above. demonen on "Bug with old crafty?" http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty/page/2#post-2513 Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:25:26 +0000 demonen 2513@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ I went to Ironforge and to test it and got Old Ironjaw within maby 10 casts, though it might just be a lot of luck. Csirke4 on "Bug with old crafty?" http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty/page/2#post-2479 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:21:58 +0000 Csirke4 2479@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ Can you get Ironjaw this way as well? Noodleguitar on "Bug with old crafty?" http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty/page/2#post-2478 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:04:33 +0000 Noodleguitar 2478@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ How to fish up Crafty and being able to loot it. If you use the bug with Crocolisks in the City you will eventually catch both the Croc and Old Crafty. How to get them both (Do all this when the confirmation box of looting Crafty is opened, assuming you use auto-loot): Loot the Croc, then delete it from your inventory. When done that, accept the BoP looting of Old Crafty. Now you have both items in your inventory. If you try to loot Crafty before taking the Croc it says it can not loot the item. Alaylith on "Bug with old crafty?" http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/bug-with-old-crafty/page/2#post-2475 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:48:16 +0000 Alaylith 2475@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ Than I had just bad luck. <.<" I had to leave yesterday, so I couldn't try any longer. I'll try again asap - but I'm just never so lucky with the stupid croc quest, maybe it will be weeks (again) before I get the quest the next time.