http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde Discussion about fishing in World of Warcraft. en-US Fri, 24 May 2013 01:17:09 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.3 q http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/search.php http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde/page/2#post-10590 Sat, 12 Nov 2011 07:53:50 +0000 Xellros 10590@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Lol. Yeah. Unfortunately for me, I didn't know all these nifty tricks when I got my Old Ironjaw. Took me 2832 casts to catch him. The one that I discovered later was the instance trick. Queue up with a buddy, and don't leave party after you run through the instance. Then you can simply teleport to the dungeon whenever you have some player agro. </p> <p> I fished for like 18 hours, getting pwned, and frustrated and I'd log out. On my server, It's alliance heavy, and they didn't much like me fishing there. Not to mention my close friends in vent all had level 80 alliance toons.... And they thought it was FREAKING HILARIOUS to swoop in and pwn me really fast. Sometimes, they'd just stand on my bobber.... Or they'd roll a noobie alt Gnome, and call themselves a "Crotch Gnome" and just stand at my crotch (I was a blood elf at the time)</p> <p>I really did enjoy catching that fish though... I wish there were more rare fish achievements to be honest... It's a thrill fighting off a swarm of people with your fishing pole... </p> <p>Sometimes my friends and I would fight there for hours... I'm a lock, and my friend is an Enhance shaman. He has a fetish for pvp. As did I back then. So we'd just fish and fight all day. &gt;.&lt;</p> <p>Happy fishing to you, sir! </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde/page/2#post-10589 Sat, 12 Nov 2011 03:35:11 +0000 Badunkadunk 10589@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I caught Ironjaw on my DK long ago in the lava of Ironforge. Went there today with my pally, trying to do the trick of standing behind the wheel and fishing again... turns out lava is no longer fishable :( jumped on an old ally toon to confirm. So only one other good spot in ironforge, that cove lake thingy, try the sleeping trick again i guess. On my server, the alliance refuse to give a fisherman a break though, and i have lumps from 5 different alliance toons on my head to prove it... hate getting pwned by 5 toons lol, but what do you expect i guess, this is just a game and i am in their city lol</p> <p>in short, no more fishing in lava </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde/page/2#post-2525 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:00:20 +0000 Morbanth 2525@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Hi, first post on this wonderful site! I came home from work yesterday morning (night shift zzz) and decided to get the Fishing Diplomat achievement while there was nobody online. I simply bought a couple of Invisibility Potions from the Auction House, rode up to the Stormwind gate and popped the potion a good 20-30 yards from the guards. Then I just walked down the ramp to the left, cast and voila, done. Hearthed out before anyone saw me.</p> <p>I imagine this would be hard to do during prime time due to duellers, but very easy during the night or maybe in the morning while drinking your morning coffee. :-) </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde/page/2#post-2385 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:13:50 +0000 will 2385@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p><cite>Gorhald <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde/page/2#post-2342" title="View original post.">wrote</a>:</cite></p> <blockquote><p>Hello there, first poster here!<br /> I got my Old Crafty after about 950 casts in Ogrimar (being alliance) hiding inside the waterfalls in the Valley of Honor. With elixirs of camouflage the hunter was almost none existent. I also used Noggenfoggers to get the buff that makes you very small. The few times an enemy player walked in to check they just missed me!<br /> Of course I came up with these ideas during the corpse runs from earlier attempts ;)<br /> Gorhald</p></blockquote> <p>Forgive me but are you saying that you are a hunter? The reason I ask is that you can use Aspect of the Beast to do the same thing as an Elixir of camouflage. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde/page/2#post-2342 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:28:56 +0000 Gorhald 2342@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>Hello there, first poster here!</p> <p>I got my Old Crafty after about 950 casts in Ogrimar (being alliance) hiding inside the waterfalls in the Valley of Honor. With elixirs of camouflage the hunter was almost none existent. I also used Noggenfoggers to get the buff that makes you very small. The few times an enemy player walked in to check they just missed me!</p> <p>Of course I came up with these ideas during the corpse runs from earlier attempts ;)</p> <p>Gorhald </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde/page/2#post-2328 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:39:50 +0000 heraklen 2328@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I did the fishing diplomat yesterday as horde.<br /> It was really easy actually , running from Westfall and using Levitate (Water walking pots from the fishing daily should work fine as replacement)<br /> Just after zoning into the next area hug the cliffs to the right and you should zone from Stormwind Harbour into just "Stormwind" , fish something and TADA! achivement done without any deaths :-) </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde/page/2#post-2316 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:58:11 +0000 Gummo 2316@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I don't know why they keep breaking the confirmation dialog box; it should NOT show up if you aren't in a party, period. It USED to work correctly for a very short time but got broken again. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde/page/2#post-2309 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:19:35 +0000 Keldion 2309@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I will add that if you intend to catch Old Ironjaw, be prepared to cast over 1,000 times. Here is my record of catches from 10/25-10/26 at Ironforge in Moon Guard (US).</p> <ul> <li>Longjaw Mud Snapper: 977</li> <li>Bristle Whisker Catfish: 355</li> <li>Brilliant Smallfish: 251</li> <li>Lesser Mana Potion: 4</li> <li>17 Pound Catfish: 3</li> <li>Lesser Healing Potion: 3</li> <li>19 Pound Catfish: 2</li> <li>Old Ironjaw: 2</li> <li>Heavy Shortbow: 1</li> <li>Bloated Mud Snapper: 1</li> <li>Pattern: Green Woolen Bag: 1</li> <li>Hunting Pants: 1</li> </ul> <p>That is 2 catches of Old Ironjaw over 1,601 casts. I did not see him the first time until cast #1235, and having developed a comfortable pattern, I failed to click "OK" on the Bind on Pickup notification. After blowing off some steam, I sat back down the next day and caught the slippery scaleback 366 casts later. I averaged 200 casts an hour with autoloot turned on. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde#post-2306 Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:25:43 +0000 Picholine 2306@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p><cite>el <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde#post-2099" title="View original post.">wrote</a>:</cite></p> <blockquote><p>To be honest, I thought the fish had been removed from the lava. Not to mention that it shouldn't be possible to jump down to the lava, or stand on an invisible ledge once you get there. Anyone know if it is possible to fish in "Old Ironforge" too? </p></blockquote> <p>I finished 1000 Fish today in IF, and a couple hundred were in the lava in the center of IF. Out of sheer boredom, I tried multiple fishing spots in IF, and got the idea Old IF might be the key to OLD Ironjaw! Alas, when my other mage buddy turned up to sheep me in, we discovered that the previously overlooked "Dun Morogh" dueling spots (by bank and Military Ward) had been removed, we assume with patch 3.0.2. Major, major bummer. So yes - fish in lava. But no, I don't know any other way to get in Old IF.</p> <p>Also, first post on this site and i gotta say: i feel like i've come home. you're my people!</p> <p>EDIT: Any Horde anglers on Silvermoon that can make it past the angry kids to IF - let me know - I'll be glad to try to sheep you into Old IF. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde#post-2279 Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:10:19 +0000 Nivmizzet 2279@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>At the moment in my server, Lightbringer, it seems tension built up between the two factions and either lets anyone fish on their territory. I'll just wait it out till things cool down :P </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde#post-2188 Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:26:56 +0000 Sauce 2188@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>As an Alliance person, I could offer a little more input into fishing in OG. I decided to fish up Old Crafty awhile ago before the patch, which was a good idea in hindsight given the fact that the guards got buffed tremendously. When you want to fish for long periods of time without interruption, I suggest the Valley of Honor, as there is a waterfall back there along with a nice rock to hide behind while casting your lure. The entire time that I was in OG (about 3 hours), I was never killed, not one time; I guess I got lucky because no one saw me go back there.</p> <p>Post patch, I snuck through the back entrance to the city and hid behind one of the buildings in the valley of spirits. It was a much more difficult task and I was camped for about an hour, but I only needed one fish so it was cool. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde#post-2176 Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:45:37 +0000 Marlburo 2176@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>As for fishing diplomat, right before the SW gates, I just fished in the "mote" just to the left of entrance. I beleive the Shamen trainer was directly north of me, was really easy. As for Old Ironjaw, the SW-Tram-Pond in North IF is definitley the way to go. I don't mind dying, because you always get a little closer everytime you die. That being said, I have yet to try and get him during non-peak hours so I havent been able to fish there long without being killed. HOWEVA a tip i found on another toon that works well is to go to the VERY back of the pond, and SIT and fish. You will be completely underwater and thus a little harder to see, but as always luck is a factor. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde#post-2175 Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:41:42 +0000 Micha 2175@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I made my life a lot easier by grabbing Old Ironjaw pre-3.0, but it's still very possible now. There are a few things to note as general rules.</p> <p>First of all, if you're a hunter who PvP's regularly, you know how obvious an enemy player in your city is. People who PvP a lot are trained to spot that red dot on their minimap, even when they're not looking directly at it, and this will give you away more than anything else. That's why you need to keep Aspect of the Beast up if you're a hunter. Luckily, if you're not a hunter, there is something else you can get to counter tracking. Camouflage Potions. Pop one of these babies, and you can't be tracked. I strongly recommend getting a stack of these items before you make your attempt.</p> <p>Lastly, there is a gap between you respawning and you showing up on track, meaning that if you respawn and immediately hit beast or quaff a potion, hunters will never see you reappear. If they're stupid, they'll figure you spirit healed. If they're smart, they will hit /target yourname and realize you're still around, but they still won't know exactly where you are (though they might then send their pet and follow it). Most hunters are stupid, though.</p> <p>If you don't spend a lot of time in enemy cities, here is another tip. It's not only guards you have to watch for. It's quest NPC's too. If you get spotted by some of them, they will drop you right into combat, and they will instantly spawn guards that will aggro onto you. Others will aggro nearby guards. So your objective is to avoid both if possible.</p> <p>Lastly, here's one for rogues. If you spend a lot of time in enemy cities, you are aware that every city has one or more "rogue killer" guards. Prior to Wrath, these guys remained at 60, so they weren't a huge danger. With Wrath, Blizzard decided to bump them _way_ up. These guys will spot you from a mile away, even with max Master of Deception, and they will cut you to pieces rather quickly. You should stay the Hell away from them. The one in Ironforge won't be a problem because he wanders the front. The one in Stormwind can be a major downer if you're trying to stealth to the tram. With Wrath, there also seems to be a new behavior where they're instantly spawned if an immobile guards spots you while stealthed.</p> <p>I'm also going to add a few city-specific tips.</p> <p>First of all, fishing in Org:</p> <p>I'm Horde, but I've asked myself how Alliance could do this most easily. There is water in the Valley of Honor, but I'm not sure how well you could hide there. It's a high-traffic area, and worse yet, the traffic is because this is where the battlemasters are, so you can count on the people here killing you if they find you.</p> <p>A better option is hiding behind the buildings with the mage trainers. That's the Valley of Spirits on your Org map, if you're wondering. It's close to the back entrance, luckily. In fact, there is a particular rock you can hide behind which should conceal your name as well. I'll have to check when I get there again. I really must emphasize the use of camouflage potions if you use this method. For those of you who have never played Horde, fishing in this location puts you about twenty feet from the Horde port-in location (the location Horde spawn in if they teleport or use a portal to Org, including the Shat portal). While they will have next to no chance of spotting you visually, a hunter will immediately see you without some method of tracking negation.</p> <p>Fishing in Stormwind: </p> <p>Well, you only need one cast here, so this is super easy. You have two methods. First off, you can be in Stormwind without being in Stormwind, like was mentioned earlier. There's a patch to the southwest of the main wall leading into the city. I'd recommend this if you're not planning to then proceed to Ironforge.</p> <p>If you are heading to IF, there's another method which makes me really surprised that people ran through the main gates. You can actually get right into Stormwind without using the tram and without people or guards noticing you, even if there's a pack dueling outside (happens often). As you approach Stormwind, with Aspect of the Beast or a camouflage potion on, hug the mountains to the east of the wall. Keep right against them. Staying mounted, run into the little cleft of terrain between the east side of the wall and the mountain next to it. Start jumping while mounted, trying to run forward at the same time. If you do it right, you can jump your way _onto_ the wall, and you can stay mounted up there. While still mounted, you can do a running jump right into the water below. This will avoid all guard aggro and most players too.</p> <p>Once you're in the moat, swim to the far NE of it. There is a patch of land you can get up onto here. Most players will not see you here, and you can quickly get your cast. Now, heading to IF. You might be tempted to head straight south, but _do not_ do this. There is a NPC just south of the eastern side of the moat who will aggro a guard onto you instantly. Instead, you must swim under the bridge to the west side of the moat, careful to avoid the squid shaman NPC standing on a little island there. There is a single patrolling guard that comes down to the land on the west side of the moat, but you simply wait for them to pass, then get up on land and mount.</p> <p>There are already plenty of tips available on how to fish in IF, so I don't really have much new to add here. I'll talk about respawn locations if you die, though.</p> <p>If you are a class who can either stealth or successfully aggro drop against lvl 75 guards (either a rogue, druid, or arcane mage, since these guys will resist feign 95% of the time), try to keep on the side of the pool closest to the rogue trainer room. You will actually be able to spawn in there if you die, then. If you spawn right on the stairwell inside that building, between the top and bottom floor in the far corner, you will not be spotted by the NPC's. While these guys won't spawn guards onto you, they will put you into combat if they spot you, preventing you from drinking or stealthing.</p> <p>When you leave that building, you will probably aggro one guard on your way to the water if you don't stealth. This is where the aggro drop comes in.</p> <p>A second option, if you're close to the far wall of the cavern, is that you can spawn inside the buildings opposite the far wall of the cavern (in the interior ring of IF). This is not recommended without an aggro drop, as you will aggro at least two guards (much more if you haven't learned how to avoid most of them) on your way back, and you can't really even stealth past those with them at lvl 75. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde#post-2169 Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:14:55 +0000 Illuthas 2169@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I just caught my Old Ironjaw too,though i did the diplomat achievement long before it since i was gonna do MGT,anyway i tried it yesterday and then on my way there i found 2 other ppl heading to IF too to fish him up,we teamed up and through the main gate we got there,badly was that there were 10 allies there fishing,and there were always a few killing us.<br /> Then i spotted some ghost hordes wanting to fish there too,sadly my group gave up to try later but i teamed up with the guys that were dead there.<br /> Normally there were 4 ppl in that group,1 that wanted to fish but wasnt there yet,1 that was already fishing there and then 2 that were helping him.<br /> They kept on killing us so one that was helping logged on his ally,a lvl11 warlock.After a long conversasion we couldnt understand the one that was already fishing there left.30 sec later the helper came back so they started helping me,it seems the talk worked since they didnt attack me anymore so i could just fish and 100th catch i caught Old Ironjaw (saw it with FB).<br /> To all ppl that get attacked while trying there,make an ally and try to reason them. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde#post-2114 Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:56:51 +0000 donquixote235 2114@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p><cite>el <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde#post-2086" title="View original post.">wrote</a>:</cite></p> <blockquote><p>It is possible that the Stormwind catch criteria has changed. When I checked it last week (again on beta realms) fishing immediately to the south of the southern-most pier in the Harbor, triggered the achievement.</p></blockquote> <p>I tried fishing from that slope just south of the southern dock with no success about ten days ago, but it's possible that even though I was technically in Stormwind my cast was not. Since there are two posts on here that refute my experience, I'd have to lean toward those experiences. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde#post-2099 Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:55:22 +0000 el 2099@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I presume the repair bills are for those that attempt to attack you, but fall into the lava doing so.</p> <p>To be honest, I thought the fish had been removed from the lava. Not to mention that it shouldn't be possible to jump down to the lava, or stand on an invisible ledge once you get there. Anyone know if it is possible to fish in "Old Ironforge" too? </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde#post-2096 Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:55:44 +0000 Thander 2096@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p><cite>will <a href="http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde#post-2091" title="View original post.">wrote</a>:</cite></p> <blockquote><p>The funny thing is the cost of one honorable kill is equal to a 3-4 gold repair bill.</p></blockquote> <p>You shouldn't be losing durability from PvP deaths. Are you saying you fell in the lava or guards killed you? </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde#post-2091 Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:03:45 +0000 will 2091@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I wanted to post for you horde members out there. </p> <p><a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34484#comments">Link Text</a></p> <p>You will have to scroll down a bit to find the picture and info. Keep in mind that you will still get ganked but at a much lesser rate.</p> <p>Essentially you will be fishing on an invisible ledge in the lava. Finding the ledge initially is a pain but well worth it. I was able to fish for over an hour before my first visitor, who did not kill me. </p> <p>For a total of about three hours I fished there getting killed twice. The funny thing is the cost of one honorable kill is equal to a 3-4 gold repair bill. The two attackers that I did have also died in the lava.</p> <p>Hopefully this will help some of you get your achievement. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde#post-2087 Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:18:08 +0000 Upstate 2087@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>While the zombies are attacking Shattrath you can become a zombie and use the portal to get to opposing faction city. In both Orgrimmar and Ironforge it takes you right to the fishing area. </p> http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/topic/old-ironjaw-the-fishing-diplomat-and-the-horde#post-2086 Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:04:11 +0000 el 2086@http://www.elsanglin.com/forums/ <p>I investigated this (on the beta server, because "live" Stormwind is plagued with zombies), and I'm inclined to agree it is easier to enter via the Harbor, since there are far fewer guards, and they are lower level. I've updated the guide with this and some other suggestions. Keep the strategies coming!</p> <p>It is possible that the Stormwind catch criteria has changed. When I checked it last week (again on beta realms) fishing immediately to the south of the southern-most pier in the Harbor, triggered the achievement. </p>