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[Stranglethorn Extravaganza] Extravaganza in Salty achievement?

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  1. fredje222 <Angler>, 2 months ago:

    There are a lot of posts about this on offical wow-forums so i thought i'd make one here too.

    A lot of people want the STV-achievement deleted from the Salty-title because its totally not what fishing is all about. And they are totally right in my opinion
    And no, i'm not lazy. I have caught Ironjaw, Crafty, Mr Pinchy twice and doing the [The One That Didn't Get Away] now.

    But the thing is: 52 sundays a year, let's say about 40 times that you can actually join and about 50-100 people joining every week (on my server).
    That means if you join every week you should win after about 2 years and all fishers that caught one or more rare fish know that you can be lucky which can make you win in one try or very unlucky which could make you fish for 4 years without ever wining.
    Other people have to work on sunday-afternoons and can never win the Salty title, and dont give me that shit: 'yea but people that want raid-achievements have to be online on raid-times too' because if you dont like the raiding-hours of your guild, just join another one that has good times.
    And NO (again) the problem is NOT that these people dont want to use a lot of time for the achievements.

    All other fishing achievements can be done by just fishing alot and in prolly a month (thats a long time) you can catch all the other rare fish(wotlk not included, dont know the catch rates).

    My idea's are:
    Make the Stv-tournament happen more then once per week, because its just silly that it's only on one hour and only 52 times per year.

    or

    Delete the stv-tournament from the Salty-title and make a seperate title like: Master Angler, or something.

    If people say that it's too easy now: add Crafty, Ironjaw, Giant Rat.

    No, i didn't win the tournament yet.

    Please, tell me your opinion about this.

    Ps: all the threads on official forums have been totally ignored, just as my gm post about it.

  2. Vicenti <Angler>, 2 months ago:

    I read the posts on the official forums recently, it’s no wonder they’ve been ignored. The couple I read consisted of the OP making a fair and reasonable statement regarding the inclusion of the Extravaganza in the Salty title, followed by about 10 people totally flaming them with boo hoo type posts. It kinda reminded me of being on the forums of an EA FPS game. I guess anyone who agreed with the OP just didn’t bother posting, as it seemed a waste of effort.

    My view on this, having considered it for sometime and having changed my mind back and forth several times, is that it probably shouldn’t be included in the requirements for the Salty title. The reason for this is unlike other similar new titles that are up for grabs, inclusion of the Extravaganza makes this one is limited available, due to there only being one winner of the Extravaganza per week. It is also limited access, as not everyone can play on a Sunday, or at least not enough Sundays to have a reasonable chance of success.

    Sure the achievements that give a title should be difficult, if they weren’t having the title would be almost pointless, however, I can’t see why the fishing title should be limited availability if others are not.

    As the OP suggests, to compensate for the removal of the Extravaganza, there are other difficult (yet accessible to all) achievements that could be added.

  3. GormanGhaste <Angler>, 2 months ago:

    One of the things I've always liked about fishing in-game is its relaxing nature. I only went to the fishing contest until I had all the rare fish.

    I think winning the contest should have its own title, and be removed from the fishing meta-achievement.

  4. AvatarIlluthas <Salty>, 2 months ago:

    You will flame me for this,but i think its a test to use tactics and speed for fishing. Just fishing while talking in guildchat or watching tv while fishing for a rare fish is part fishing,but the real achievement of "Salty" should only be given to the people that fished in both aspects of fishing,not just clicking your fishing button and then clicking the dobber.
    And yes,i won the fishing contest twice but i didnt want "The one that didnt get away" to be removed too before i had my fish. The title should be unique,and not something everyone can get with a day of fishing. (of course its impossilbe but its just a figure of speech ;) )

  5. fredje222 <Angler>, 2 months ago:

    yes its true, but even if you use evry tactic in the world you can still be unlucky and fish for it like a couple of years and NEVER win, that's just ridicilous...

    if you say that fishers should also know the thrill of hardass fishing? make it daily

  6. heraklen <Angler>, 2 months ago:

    I'm a strong believer of what fredje says , the extravaganza have some serious flaws and the biggest one is that its just once a week.
    Also its a competition who can be tipped into your favor or destroyed by various methods we all have read about in other threads on this forum.
    If you play on a PVP server makes it even easier for people to disrupt the competition.

    Its not that its an EASY task to get the achievement done even without the extravaganza.

  7. Noodleguitar <Salty>, 2 months ago:

    I kind of like the way it is now, with the Extravaganza victory counting as a requirement. I do understand why people are upset about it, because (especially on high populated servers) I can imagine it can be a hard job to get a first win. Though I still think it's good to have some sort of competetive requirement for the title to make it more exclusive.

    If they do take it out of the requirements, at least give a justified award for those who did win the Extravaganza, after all the discussion is about it being such a hard thing to accomplish. Maybe something in the sense of a title like "Salty Master Angler [name]" or something (otherwise you have to choose between Master Angler and Salty... hard pick :))

  8. anniefish <Salty>, 2 months ago:

    I, too, have waffled on whether I think it should be included in the title of "Salty" and I will say, there are some fair arguments for and against. I'm still on the fence.

    The one thing that sets this apart from other titles, and seeming to be the biggest bone of contention, is the frequency and availability of being able to win the STV contest. Many other achievements can be attempted daily or more frequent. This is one that can only be done on a specific day, once a week. That makes it unique, but certainly unattainable for those unable to fish the contest due to work, etc. I don't think that makes it comparable to other titles.

    Personally, I would like to see a sub-title of sorts in addition to the "Salty" title to not necessarily make it easier, but more of a goal for those of us that love to fish and love attaining new levels.

  9. Merly <Angler>, 2 months ago:

    Those peeps going "it's only on for 52 times a year" lets play "how long has it been running for" seriously, you train, you study, you win (eventually) it's as simple as that.

    Keep it in, it's a challenge in lets face it a rather unchallenging achievement if you have enough time, everything else is just a matter of time.

  10. Nemu <Angler>, 2 months ago:

    It's a challenge, sure, but it IS unfair to those of us who work on odd days/at odd times.

    I work 3rd shift, and in 3½ years of playing WoW, I've had ONE chance of participating in the event, and on a PvP server at that.

    I don't see why having the event 2 or 3 times a week will kill anyone nor will it make it a welfare event/title.

    (Heck, I'm a Bloodsail Admiral and I cannot TELL you how frustrating it is to go from seeing 10-or-so players with the title at Day One to seeing it almost as frequently as I see that stupid Jenkins title....)

  11. Merly <Angler>, 2 months ago:

    For those of you who can't make it I do simpathise but as I've said if you want the ultimate title you have to have something thats more than just "stand and fish for <insert many hours here> or it's as you put it as lame as that stupid Jenkins title and any muppet can get that one.

    The salty title shows you're litterally at one with the fishes, it's a shame some people won't be able to get it but the opportunity is there to remove the biggest fishing challenge in the game from the title would be a slap in the face of all those who have worked their ass off to get it.

  12. Vicenti <Angler>, 2 months ago:

    I won’t dispute the fact there should be an ultimate title for fisherman, however, I don’t think this achievement is the place for it.

    The ultimate achievement for the fisherman is indeed winning the Extravaganza and this, I believe, due to its rarity, should be a candidate for it’s own title. Leave salty for the masses, it still takes and enormous amount of fishing to achieve, especially if they were to add and couple more requirements in there. Give the Extravaganza it’s own title.

    I like Noodleguitar’s idea, maybe completing the achievement could give the title ‘salty’ then if you win the Extravaganza on top of that you become ‘Extra Salty’, lol.

  13. fredje222 <Angler>, 2 months ago:

    that's a very good idea Vincenti
    give a title for: all the fishes + extravaganza (like master angler)
    and another one for just all the fishes, and some more if you want to but just make those fishies fishable all days of the year :p (like salty) or any other title idea's but thats not the point :p

    and Merly said:
    Keep it in, it's a challenge in lets face it a rather unchallenging achievement if you have enough time, everything else is just a matter of time.

    then you can say that ALL other achievements are just unchallenging because you do have unlimited time for all other achievements in a year, infinent people can win any title but only 52 can win a fishing title, do you think that's fair?(except the Halloween ones and stuff but you have enough time to get those)(and the raiding ones but if you raid enough you can enter a really good guild and also get those)

    like: Loremaster title, i have seen only a couple with the title but if you just do it long enough you'll get it and as much people that want it can get it. but i wouldn't call it unchallenging :p

  14. Kahless <Salty>, 2 months ago:

    An achievement that anyone can get with ease is worthless.
    Leaving the tourney requirement makes it difficult and uncommon and therefore worth having.
    Take away the tourney requirement and it's just another holiday title that everyone will have.
    Leave it the way it is.

  15. Bettis <Salty>, 2 months ago:

    Here is how I feel.

    I have the fishing extravaganza done but even if I didn't I would want it kept in. Anything worth its name has to take work.

    And for the people who say "But it is only once a week and I don't have time or the schedule to do it". Well, I would love the achievements for the really big raids but I will never be able to join a HIGH-END raid guild due to time restrictions so I will never get those or any achievement related to them. I have a wife and 2 kids who would leave me if I devoted time to the game required (not that I want to since I enjoy them more than the game) to do end game raiding. So should Blizzard change the achievements to make them so EVERYONE can get them? No, they are the way they are and I can accept that.

    I worked my schedule to allow me to fish on Sundays at the time of the contest for a few times and worked my ass off by doing my homework and also scouting it out, etc. I still didn't win my first dozen plus times (not sure what attempt made it).

    But I wanted it so I made it happen. That's life.

    Sorry but some things may be out of your reach...but only if you let them be.

  16. fredje222 <Angler>, 2 months ago:

    Kahless wrote:

    An achievement that anyone can get with ease is worthless.
    Leaving the tourney requirement makes it difficult and uncommon and therefore worth having.
    Take away the tourney requirement and it's just another holiday title that everyone will have.
    Leave it the way it is.

    i'm very sure that it wont be a title that evryone has because its still is freaking hard to get, do you know the droprate on mr pinchy and one that didn't got away? it will still be a rare title and why not make two titles as i said before??

  17. AvatarMitzy <Angler>, 2 months ago:

    Saying that the Extravaganza is luck based is

    a) not entirely true. There are certain things that one can do to win the tournament, for example using speed buffs and water walking potions. Another (infamous) method is to hire another players to distract other fishers. Yeah, that isn't fair, but nevertheless possible.

    b) nothing special. I mean, even if it was luck based, there would be others of its kind. For example, I never achieved "the Hallowed " title, because Hallowed Helm refused to be found from treat bags, and HHM wasn't any better.

    Another point I would like to make is that there are other titles that are not available to all players. For example the arena titles. I quoted one post in another topic, stating that there could be less Salty titles than Gladiator titles. It was based on rather rough estimates. However, if we think about it, the numbers don't actually matter: there will be a certain amount of Gladiators and Saltys at a given time and some people won't get them.

  18. Whisper <Angler>, 2 months ago:

    Yes it could be removed from the meta achievement, but having worked on this extravaganza several weeks to make up a tactic, I feel like this tournament is the ultimate fishing achievement, and thus should award a title itself

    And about luck, I feel like this tournament is something like 50% luck

    just look at the facts :

    a) Sometimes your hook doesn't want to hit the pool, even if you placed well, some precious seconds lost

    b) whether the fish bites after 10 secondes of fishing or 20 makes a huge difference

    c) One week before I won it, I fished 39 fish in 15mn, I was lucky with the schoolfishes, got lucky repops, and yet, for I caught 17 trash fish (stonescales, firefin, that plant) I had absolutely no chance to win, the schoolfishes having approximately 80% tastyfish

    Having an escort squad might be a good idea, but even if you gank your opposite faction, you're helping your whole faction and not only you, so it's not the best idea, using friends for defending yourself and scouting is nice

    Anyway, for the record, i'm pretty happy there's a little luck involved, for druids and hunters have a huge advantage, and shamans having an even more one now that they can waterwalk while mounted, it would be almost impossible to win for other classes if it was straightforward

    That tournament is about tactics and perseverance mainly, even with bad luck involved, persevere and you'll win, putting it inside the Salty meta achievement adds more rarity and recognition in the achievement, I mean, going to X Zone and fish a 0.0000001% rare fish is a nobrainer, winning the extravaganza is more what a fishing achievement should be

  19. Mushroom <Salty>, 2 months ago:

    As someone who has worked the same job for years and years, always on Sunday, always during the tournament, I'm a little bummed that despite having fished on many characters over the last 4 years of playing, I wont ever be able to qualify for the Salty title. That's my two cents, I'm not saying the competition needs to be removed from the requirement entirely, but it *is* a little frustrating that unless I quit my job I'm not gonna get that title.

  20. Secretsauce <Salty>, 2 months ago:

    I can understand the frustration of people who have time conflicts during the competition, but ultimately I think you would be hugely weakening the achievement by removing the contest from the title requirements. One of the main reasons why I was drawn to this title is the fact that it is very unique, that and I like getting drunk IRL and fishing in game. I'm willing to guess that the number of people with this title will be few and far between, unlike many of the other achievement titles. I thought Bloodsail Admiral was a unique title until I started seeing tons of people with it, and that's only just an example of one of the many titles that's overused.

    The salty title carries a lot of weight, I mean, lets take a look (quoted from Darkroot, Wowhead):

    Gain 350 Fishing and buy "Grand Master" level.
    Fish every school type in Outland and Northrend.
    Fish every junk node type in the game.
    Fish in Orgrimmar+Stormwind.
    Win the Stranglethorn Fishing Extravaganza (Retroactive if you have the reward in your inventory).
    Have/have used the Magical Crawdad Box from Terokkar.
    Catch a rare fish (Max Weight/Weapon).
    Do all 5 fishing dailies from Barlo.
    Fish up Gahz'ranka in ZG.
    Fish up The Lurker Below in SSC.
    Learn Find Fish via a Weather Beaten Journal.
    Fish up every coin from the Dalaran Fountain.
    Catch 1,000 fish total (NOTE: You will probably get this from doing all of the above :P)

    All I can say is whoever can do all this is a badass. I mean, seriously, damnnnnnnnnn. This list is not only huge, but also all-inclusive of what fishing is about in this game. This title will test not only your patience, but also your level of skill. That's what it should mean to carry the salty title. If you get rid of the extravaganza, you really aren't testing skill anymore. Yes, you could give the extravaganza its own title, but that's pretty weak; titles that require only one act or quest or whatever are incredibly lame (Jenkins).

    My final peeve: who exactly are the people that are complaining about the competition as part of the achievement? I understand people who can't participate in the competition, they have a valid point, but not being able to win is not an excuse, try harder. Blizzard did something right by making the title accessible to only the hardcore fishermen. I was never in an end-game raiding guild, so I've potentially missed out on content/achievements. Hell, I can't get the ZA bear now that it's removed from the game, but that's ok, because such and such in T6 gear wants to get all the achievements/titles/mounts/pets for jollies so they should have an easy time getting what most of us have perfected in this game.

    In summary, this achievement is a great way from distinguishing the men from the boys and I know that many of us will cause heads to turn when going through Dalaran with Salty up. A note to Blizzard: please don't weaken a title that many of us begged to have put in the game.

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