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[Contests] Extravaganza in Salty achievement?

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  1. Boffin <Angler>, 3 months ago:

    I won the contest today so I'm not posting this to complain or be a sore loser, but I think this would be better as a feat of strength as it is not consistent with other achievements. I'm all for keeping the title rare, but perhaps there is a way to keep only 52 potential Saltys a year while allowing people to attempt a win at any time, only once per week such as a timed fishing challenge (ie who can catch the most of a certain fish in a given amount of time) while keeping the original contest as something even more special than Salty. There are titles out there, such as "the Insane" that only require huge investments in time to complete and no skill, but that doesn't mean everyone is going to get it, personally I think the other fishing achievements are challenging enough as it is to complete without having to compete at exactly 2pm on a Sunday.

  2. frankOz <Angler>, 3 months ago:

    I have just finished with eight pages of comments and feel the need to throw in mine.
    I have fished the tournament a grand total of four times. In those four times I was met with epic fail and frustration of being ganked and camped and ganked some more by friends of friends that were fishing.
    Seems to me the only way to win this contest, at least on a high population pvp server like mine, is to belong to a large guild and bring them all along and have them stomp everything up and down the coast. Raze your own faction, kill and camp the other faction.

    If this sounds like the kind of achievement Blizz had in mind when they set the tournament in the Salty achievement then they have done a fine job.
    I have seen the same gankers and campers friends win three out of the four times I have attempted this. Probably gankers and campers working the other coast won the other time.
    This is the last achievement I need to get the Salty. As it stands I don't see how I will ever get it.

    The only skill and tactics needed here is nine lives and a crew of rogues to watch your back. Obviously my vote is take it out of the achievement. Make it a guild or group competition achievement, as it seems to be that anyway. That way parties of folks could get it that Sunday.
    Here's an idea, The Stranglethorn Vale Combat Arena Tournament Fishing Achievement, combat fishing at it worst. You get a hat and a T-shirt saying "I survived it !" Oh yeah and the name tag.

  3. Marlburo <Extremely Salty>, 3 months ago:

    in defense of the tournament.....after 4 times you're still learning.

  4. Leieia <Angler>, 3 months ago:

    I doubt that it will be changed, but I would like to see the Extravaganza removed from the title. As an achievement, winning the contest seems far more like a feat of strength than anything else and it makes the Salty title sort of arbitrary. I'd rather see a flat-out "how many hours spent fishing" or some huge crazy number of fish caught as a requirement than the Extravaganza.

    And I'll back frankOz up by saying that - on my server - it's a mess of poor sportsmanship, to say the least. I'm not even on a PVP server, but I see huge mounts covering pools, NPCs pulled onto other players, people jumping on lures, etc. It's a display of the worst behavior in all of Azeroth, and I hate being out there week after week trying to wade through the jerks.

    I may be off in thinking this, but I like playing with a sort of fisherman's code. I like seeing tauren trying to hide in the back corner of Ironforge, dressed up in their finest fishing gear. If I'm out and about and someone else is fishing pools in the same area, I try to make sure we aren't stepping on each other's toes. Since the title is sort of the only prominent way to show fishing pride, I find it inconsistent with the spirit of the profession to make the contest a requirement for Salty.

    And besides all that, I think perseverance, rather than simply luck, should be the deciding factor for Salty.

  5. X-Rok <Salty>, 2 months ago:

    Personally I'm in defense of keeping the Extravaganza in the Salty title requirement... Titles are supposed to be rare, this is one of the few that has a limiter on how many people can obtain it. Remove the Extravaganza, and Salty becomes a title you can AFK-click your way to obtaining.

    Skill or luck, whatever you want to call it, it takes both. You need luck on your side for avoiding junk catches, having your bobber actually land in the pool, spawns of pools being nearby, and no competition in the area... You need skill to know where to stand to help your bobber land in the pool easier, to avoid the still-bugged pools that make you spend most of your time getting 'Water too shallow', to know when to switch areas because of overcompetition...

    It's actually one of the few consistently fun challenges left in this game, and I only get out there on time for it maybe every third week... Today I managed my 6th win in about 4 years... once before 2.0, one shortly after TBC came out, one right before and one right after 3.0, and one shortly after WotLK before I hit 80, plus today (Aug23). I like to call it... defending my Saltyness.

    You wanna be Salty? You gotta outfish the competition. Salty is for the best of the best of us that ever hooked a Nightcrawler on our fishing line... Get fishing.

  6. Rigami <Angler>, 2 months ago:

    I got it yesterday. It was my forth time *really trying* to win. I would have to say those that are complaining are probably not trying. For the forth time I had actually planned to run it next week as my research wasn't fully complete but tried anyway.

    If you want to remove Salty fine, but I would say that you get another title in place.

    All the other fishing tasks for salty are luck based, the STVE has very little luck involved if you want to win.

  7. Jelly <Angler>, 2 months ago:

    While I think the contest gives us all something to strive for and is a great motivator, I think it is very luck-based to be honest, at least when you think of the contest as a one time encounter.

    Yesterday I was at 35 fish when the winner was announced and I was bloody unlucky for the first 8-9 minutes:
    - Yojamba, which I always start at, had basically no pools spawning in the first three minutes.
    - Moreover, the first 5 pools I fished had *one* tastyfish each, while the rest was stranglekelp etc.

    I really know what I should do, have the pots stacked etc, but there is nothing really I can do about catching firefin snappers or stranglekelp.

    Having said that, I know that the probability of being so unlucky in, let's say, 10 tries is really low and so the luck factor's importance might drop quite a lot.

    However if you take into consideration various things like: pool spawns probability, catch rate probability, let alone the mammoth-blocking issues - I wouldn't dare to say it has very little luck involved.

  8. Shircon <Salty>, 2 months ago:

    X-Rok wrote:

    Personally I'm in defense of keeping the Extravaganza in the Salty title requirement... Titles are supposed to be rare, this is one of the few that has a limiter on how many people can obtain it. Remove the Extravaganza, and Salty becomes a title you can AFK-click your way to obtaining.
    Skill or luck, whatever you want to call it, it takes both. You need luck on your side for avoiding junk catches, having your bobber actually land in the pool, spawns of pools being nearby, and no competition in the area... You need skill to know where to stand to help your bobber land in the pool easier, to avoid the still-bugged pools that make you spend most of your time getting 'Water too shallow', to know when to switch areas because of overcompetition...
    It's actually one of the few consistently fun challenges left in this game, and I only get out there on time for it maybe every third week... Today I managed my 6th win in about 4 years... once before 2.0, one shortly after TBC came out, one right before and one right after 3.0, and one shortly after WotLK before I hit 80, plus today (Aug23). I like to call it... defending my Saltyness.
    You wanna be Salty? You gotta outfish the competition. Salty is for the best of the best of us that ever hooked a Nightcrawler on our fishing line... Get fishing.

    Here here....i could not have put it better myself,its the only achievement that makes you truly earn it in my view....HUZZAH to you sir.

  9. Pj <Angler>, 2 months ago:

    i won it the second week it was announced ages back
    and have won it three other times as well
    just gotta do it every week
    and not give up
    sometimes things just will work your way
    losing again and again and again, just makes it feel that much better when you finally do win
    if its really that bad and winning is so important to you you could always just change servers or pay people to protect of you something.. although i've won it on two different servers, both pvp, and i can say that both of them took a whole bunch of sundays
    skill can only take you so far with the tourney and fishing in general, at the end of the day, luck will always be a considerable factor of fishing

    just don't be negative and convince yourself that you can never win, because you can, every week somebody wins, often times its not the person who has like five people protecting them trying to help win it, just some random person who got lucky with spots and few junk fish
    just don't give up

  10. Boost <Angler>, 2 months ago:

    The tournament should grant its own title "shady" and not salty considering that is seemingly what you need to be to win nowadays. Has nothing to do with fishing anymore. Just my 2 cents.

  11. Swifteye <Angler>, 2 weeks ago:

    This is complete and utter "QQing" on my part, so feel free to disregard.

    I will never be able to win the Extravaganza, at least not with my current job (which I don't see quitting anytime soon).

    I NEVER get Sundays off, and I work graveyard shift. Moreover, my job is in the direct-care field. Meaning not only does it suck to go to work with not enough sleep (as it would with any job), it is DANGEROUS. How am I supposed to explain to a patient that I accidentally injured them while attempting to treat their wounds or assist with their rehab because I was sleepy due to being awake at 2pm (which is like 2*am* to me) trying to win a computerized fishing contest?

    I really, really wanted to get the Salty title for one of my toons, but I just don't see it happening. And it sucks to know that the only thing keeping me from it is the timing of the event.

    Personally I would rather see them replace the contest requirement for "Salty" with a few of the rare catches that AREN'T part of the achievement. Heck, I WANT a reason to fish for the Giant Sewer Rat, and it'd be interesting to make people catch Old Crafty AND Old Ironjaw! Hanging out in an enemy city long enough to actually catch the one that isn't "yours" shows dedication to the sport, no?

    Actually I was kinda irritated to learn Old Ironjaw WASN'T part of the title, AFTER I'd caught him (and it took forever, as you can imagine).

    Ah well. I'm really bummed to know that I'll never get that title despite my love for fishing and all the work I've put into it, but I suppose Blizz has to do what Bzlizz has to do.

    *shrugs*

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