The ring will attract many non-anglers into the contest. It will be more popular and harder to win then the STV contest, and also based on pure luck.
I know I want both items from it.
It will hardly alter the value of Salty.
What I don't like is the day and time. Most guilds are raiding during that interval... :(
el <Nat Pagle's Love Child>, 3 weeks ago:Caught a Blacktip Shark after just over 40 casts in the Basin. Return to Dalaran, but Elder Clearwater (who is standing next to the Eventide Fountain) has no quest or dialogue option. Absolutely nothing was announced at any stage. The Elder just appeared at 20:00, so I decided to go fishing. Rather confusing. Anyone manage to complete it?
I still haven't caught one. Fishing pools in the Frozen Sea.
You get it from a Pool?
Did you catch a Suckerfish or anything else with it?
Did you try to use it? Does it give you a quest?
el <Nat Pagle's Love Child>, 3 weeks ago:I was only fishing Nettlefish School. It was caught alongside a regular fish. Cannot be used. Does not start a quest, nor is it so described.
Seems a common problem - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20677352204
Since the item description has "Use: Quest: Deliver to .." in it, I thought it might be "usable" to start a quest.
At least we know you can catch it without having a quest first.
Sounds like it's replacing the Suckerfish in the loot table.
I never caught one fishing Monsterbelly and Cuttlefish pools in the Frozen Sea south of Borean.
Elder Clearwater has no dialogue for me either.
el <Nat Pagle's Love Child>, 3 weeks ago:Event finished (21:00) with: "Elder Clearwater yells: The Kalu'ak Derby has ended! If you caught a shark, please bring it to me within the hour." Unfortunately for me, I'd destroyed the first catch in the hope of catching a new shark... But I've just spoken to a guy who kept his shark and still cannot turn it in.
Worth adding that my second attempt involved about 75 casts, and yielded no second fish. Given your experience, it may in fact be rather rare.
*nods to el*
I went for Deep Sea Monsterbellies and Moonglow Cuttlefish from pools in the Frozen Sea south of the Borean Tundra (the icebergs a couple hundred meters out) and, like with Kahless, that didn't yield a shark. I got roughly 120 casts. Might have been bad luck. Or maybe the Frozen Sea pools generally don't hold a shark.
As for Elder Clearwater, was his yell at 21:00 audible outside of Dalaran? Like continent-wide? I returned to the city a few minutes to nine and so only heard his yell within the city. I don't know if players outside of Dalaran were able to hear it - that'd be nice to know.
Greetings,
Contiki
I also tried the Fishing Derby tonight with no luck. I caught my fish about 8:45 (clearly too late to get a win) and hearthed back to Dalaran to turn it in. The Elder would not talk to me and I noticed a couple of other peeps coming up behind me, looking confused. I assume he didn't talk to them either.
I didn't delete my fish, but I logged out before the 9pm announcement. I will make sure to stay the full hour next week, now that I know about that part. I also submitted a suggestion to Blizzard that they add a "winner" announcement like they have in STV. No sense tormenting folks for an hour when the contest is over in 20 minutes! I think it would also be nice to have a starter message when the event begins.
el <Nat Pagle's Love Child>, 3 weeks ago:Thanks for all the reports. And hello again Contiki! I've updated the Kalu'ak Fishing Derby article with a summary of what I think is supposed to happen.
It's possible The Frozen Sea is bugged. It makes no sense that those pools would be excluded. I also noticed that Borean Man O' War School never contained any Borean Man O' War - just suckerfish and failed casts (no loot window).
I heard Elder Clearwater's final yell in Borean Tundra, so I'm guessing it is Northrend-wide. However, that was the only announcement I heard. The fact that Elder Clearwater doesn't appear until precisely 20:00 doesn't help either - there's no visual reassurance that the event is happening.
So where is the Elder stationed in Dalaran? Is there anything to keep jerks from Mammoth-blocking him?
The Elder's Tuskarr-like size could very well prevent players from blocking him. I think you'd need at least a mammoth to block him and even then some part of his model might stick out of a mammoth's model.
In any case, nothing stops you from enabling name plates in this situation. You can right-click name plates just like you can right-click the actual NPC. That way a player blocking Elder Clearwater doesn't impact your gameplay negatively - other than forcing you to briefly enable name plates. The default keyboard shortcut is - correct me if I'm wrong - Ctrl+V, Shift+V or just V. Something along those lines.
As for his position, yesterday's fishing derby on the test realm had him spawn next to Marcia Chase at the fountain in Dalaran's Eventide district. He spawned at 8 p.m. server time, announced the derby's end at 9 p.m. and (presumably, since I didn't stay to witness it in person) disappeared at 10 p.m. The Kalu'ak Fishing Derby article has this info and more.
I hope they end up moving the elder to the underbelly--having the quest giver closest to a neutral inn would be more fair, and the underbelly would have less lag.
I find it realy strange that they put him much closer to a alliance inn than a horde/neutral inn.. aldo i'm alliance i still don't think its fair. unless the catch is so rare it dousn't matter that you have 10/30 sec disadvantage.
Robodin <Angler>, 3 weeks ago:GormanGhaste wrote:
I hope they end up moving the elder to the underbelly--having the quest giver closest to a neutral inn would be more fair, and the underbelly would have less lag.
Stick him on one of the wooden pillars down by the fishing spot, that should solve the mammoth problem as well.
el <Nat Pagle's Love Child>, 1 week ago:El managed to win her first contest, which earnt me a tell "beaten by El - I can live with that" - which made me smile. Full details soonish. The quest/turn-in system is precisely the same as the Booty Bay contest. There are also now announcements.
I took just over 50 catches to win. Other people I've spoken to required at least that number. My theory is that a certain number of casts are required before there is a chance to catch the Shark. So, for example, the probability of catching is 0 until you have 40 casts. I also don't know if that would be influenced by switching pool types. Or perhaps it is based on a count of Suckerfish?
In short, it would be very useful to get information from people here about how many casts into which pools, and/or catches of what fish it took to get your Shark.
I got it on Brill in the record breaking time of 27 min.
Probably didn't have that much competetion on a EU server at this skewed time
Guess it took me something around 100 catches to get the shark.
Did all my fishing in the Frozen Sea.
I chose the boots.
In the Guide you say that you need flying mount to go faster and fish pool by pool. That's wrong, the whole "contest", plays on only the 1ST [FIRST] catch. The whole tournament will last 60seconds, that's why people who complained about the wednesday night thing make me laugh. The usual raider time is 8PM, so Everybody would have been able to change their raiding time to 8:01 PM, fucking big deal....
Record breaking 27min Tjalfe, lol...
The records are gonna be under 60seconds...thats the way blizzard want their "winner"...
Never be proud of any "record" that involve RNG in the totality...
Reasonning :
The droprate of the shark have to be 1% inside a pool... Any higher would proove my point even more. Any lower would not even be possible to anyone to turn in the shark even after the winner is declared, since you can still turn in, for some shit reward. So it's 1%.
Now with a popular contest like that, you can expect between 100 to 1000 people (for the servers with 30k dudes). Let's take that 100 for instance. With 100 people running for the tournament, that mean in average one dude will catch the shark on the first catch. This is mathematics. And that's is what Blizzard have called "healthy" luck. We all know RNG is very healthy....
If you have 1000 dudes now, 10 of them in average will cast the shark in the first catch, meaning that the race to dalaran will be of equal importance.... 15sec to catch the shark, 10sec for hearthstone + 10-20 to turn in. Meaning that classes following will win most of the time :
2- Death Knight (+20% mount speed)
2- Paladin (+20%)
3- Hunter (+10%)
I didnt talk about the #1 standalone class, because it's a mage, beyond competition. With the one catch rule, just wait 15 seconds before the tournament begin, Cast "Portal : Dalaran", the tournament start, hope you roll 100 and catch the shark since it is the ONLY WAY TO WIN, click the portal, turn in, and you won... You have banked 10sec of the hearthstone making you unbeatable.
Thats if you are alone. Now if you have help, you can have a warlock summon you right in front of the npc (still you need to roll 100), and every above can be "traded"... auras, portals.
I also heard that Alliance are actually close to the said NPC, so you can factor all the rankings above with 1 - Alliance 2 - Horde, Apparently alliance don't even need to cast their mount once they get to Dalaran, just use a speed potion or engineering boots or whatever...the npc is near their inn...
This contest requires no skill,no guide, no strategy on where are the best pools etc. That's sad but Blizzard want it that way....
They said the Best fisherman of the week must have an "healthy dash of luck"... That's the winner, the great fisherman of Kalu'ak.
People saying "ah now I have a shot at winning, beside booty bay", no you don't....
1/100 chances factored into any other people that catch the shark on the first catch, is impossible. In fact to catch the shark on your first catch, one occurence, one time. You would need 100 weeks in average thats 2 years. And I'm saying in average, the baron mount have 1%, a few of us, have done more than 100 runs and we dont have it, think carefully about it. You could do that tournament for 2 years without ever winning... Even if you mastered the fishing skill, even you could remember the locations of every single pools of Northrend, which is worthy of a grand winner, there is a lot of chances You will never get it... especially on the biggest servers, I see some with 20k even 30k people....
This is the worst contest they could ever make.... 100% RNG....
Kalu'ak Fishing derby = Rand 500. Can you make 500 right now ? try it. I know I don't have that power.
Eventual good scenario that may not be:
Now they may eventually disguise the tournament with a more elaborate pattern like making the droprate increasingly high with the time that pass by. With let's say 1/10000 the first minute, and so on. This is my little voice in my head telling me "blizzard are not that stupid" "they are actually using the money we give them each months".... Still remain carefull, it will surely invalidate the "dalaran races" with the little tips I gave. But the RNG factor remain almost totally intact, while in Booty bay you still have a decent control over it for lets say pve servers (pvp is a different story). So in that scenario, people will fish around the same fish each, minus malus a few... Maybe some would catch a few more but it would not change much thing. Instead of making a rand 500 you would need rand 400 or 450. This still remain totally random.
In that scenario 280% mounts would be necessary, yes . What about 310% mount, and the auras still remain very important... I have a DK/Paladin myself... But I spit on this advantage we then have.
If Blizzard had a brain, a very good brain : the best mechanics would be that way :
A dynamic droprate that has 2 factors
1- the time since the tournament have started
2- your fishing skill : I firmely are against thoses level 1 being able to win, and dudes that have an insane amount of fishing skill not being able to.
However until now there are never been any dynamic droprate EVER in World of Warcraft, E-V-E-R that's why do not be shocked at all if the "First Catch Winner" rule apply.
We can simply suspect that the droprate is indeed dynamic but may be localized to the pool itself... To get an idea, do you see at Booty Bay contest when after a while the pools do not repop ? That's because the existing pools are still intact but suddenly at X time, there is no new one. Well get that idea, now they can reuse it, and each 5 minutes for example the new pools that appear have an increased droprate, but the old ones eventually would remain with the same droprate....
Why ? Because for me the pool is a mob, ok ? With a preset loot. When you enter a raid instance, the loot of each bosses (and each mob) is alrdy set. That's the same thing.
So you would be very wrong, to actually fish an old pool. Meaning that (again if my theory is right), it would be debatable either fish in an area with a few people but not too many, or a total desert sector. I cant figure out myself which is better.
But the mechanics might be that.
el wrote:
My theory is that a certain number of casts are required before there is a chance to catch the Shark. So, for example, the probability of catching is 0 until you have 40 casts. I also don't know if that would be influenced by switching pool types. Or perhaps it is based on a count of Suckerfish?
And this is totally absurd. Sorry dude :x As I said look at a pool as being a mob lootable by multiple characters, to have the right to loot it, you need to fish it. The absurdity come from the fact that Blizzard wouldn't allow such technology since in short you are saying "if you have not fished 40 fishs, you have no right to win"... They have never used such methods " mr x is a bad dude, so we will make sure he can't loot the thing he wants", this doesn't exist and never will.
For booty bay, it's 40 fish, but it's clear for everybody, if they wanted to use that rule again it wouldn't be one shark. Besides only YOU know you looted 40 fishs, blizzard will not monitor that kind of things to influence what you loot. I think I've covered it all.
Bottom line, if the dynamic droprate verify you have better chance fishing in "fresh" pools. And if by all mighty god you encounter a fishing pool from 30 minutes ago you may very well be inside thoses with the 1/10000 droprate.
But again, before being proven wrong, I still think it might be a "First Catch Winner" rule.
And last thing but not least, whatever is the real rule. The impact of number of fish you loot is negligeable. It's a rand based on the number of people running the contest. If you have looted the most fish, you might get only in 5% better shape than others, but the 95% rest is the rand. So on 100 people, you would need to
1- Fish the most fish
2- Rand 96 97 98 99 or 100
To win.
Which makes it more difficult that the booty bay contest, since that latter one have only the First point valid.
Sorry if my post was too long.
el <Nat Pagle's Love Child>, 1 week ago:I agree that if this is implemented as a vanilla-WoW random drop, the contest will be over in 1-2 minutes. And most of that time will be loading Dalaran for whoever got lucky. Such a contest would "suck", because people would not feel like that had a chance. It wouldn't be "fun".
Which is why I'm instinctively looking for a different pattern.
What you are possibly unaware of is that since WotLK, Blizzard have used a technique called progressive drop rates for quest items: The longer you farm for a quest item, the higher the chance of it dropping on each kill. As far as I can't be sure, that's already used for quest fish. But it's basically invisible to the player.
It wouldn't be a major evolution of that technology to track fish catches during a contest. So I disagree with the core of your argument.
As for other factors... well, they can do a lot of those to. The Eventide Fountain gold coin buff is the best example of a catch rate being altered by a simple spell.
So, I'm very interested in what people on test realms are actually seeing, since that's the only way we can start to see the pattern.
Ninkosen wrote:
Record breaking 27min Tjalfe, lol...
The records are gonna be under 60seconds...thats the way blizzard want their "winner"...
Never be proud of any "record" that involve RNG in the totality...
Glad to see that my sarcasm went right over your head! ;)
I actually thought the next line was a dead giveaway:
"Probably didn't have that much competetion on a EU server at this skewed time"
Although I'm certain that the average time it takes to win this contest will be _way_ shorter, I'll side with El and think that a 1-2 min. contest will not happen.
If we are wrong, they might as well take the whole fishing skill outside and shoot it - since it is obviously very sick anyways.
Should the NPC not load fast enough upon our return to Dalaran, I know you can /target<npsname> . but once targeted, how do you talk to them to open the quest?
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