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[Fishing] Northrend Fishing for Profit

  1. el <Nat Pagle's Love Child>, 11 months ago:

    I've done a few updates to the valuable fish chapter, to add price links to Wowecon and Allakhazam. No prices are shown, since precise prices were felt to be misleading. Prices are also still likely to change a lot: Ingredients becoming more common, evolving demands of raiders (such as a gradual shift away from Hit buffs as gear becomes better), and adjustment by players to WotLK inflation (most obvious in the level 80 daily quest income).

    I thought it would be interesting to compare prices of catches (often cooked).

    Prices are for single items (although most items will be sold in stacks of 5 or 20). Prices are based on the median auction house price as listed on Allakhazam. The list is split between items that do, and do not, require Northern Spices. Items shown "**" are gained from fishing, but hard to farm by fishing.

    Un-Spiced

    Baked Manta Ray - 2g
    Dalaran Clam Chowder** - 5g
    Eternal Water** - 24g
    Grilled Sculpin - 2.5g
    Pickled Fangtooth - 1.5g
    Poached Nettlefish - 3g
    Pygmy Suckerfish - 10g
    Savory Deviate Delight - 1g
    Slippery Eel - 1g
    Smoked Salmon - 2g

    Spiced

    Blackened Dragonfin - 9g
    Cuttlesteak - 4.5g
    Dragonfin Filet - 6g
    Firecracker Salmon - 7g
    Imperial Manta Steak - 5g
    Poached Northern Sculpin - 7.5g
    Snapper Extreme - 5g
    Spicy Blue Nettlefish - 6.5g
    Spicy Fried Herring - 4g

    Overall, Spiced food adds a 3-4g premium. Allakhazam gives a median price for Northern Spices of 11g. The implication is that currently it is most profitable to do the cooking daily and sell all the Northern Spices you can muster. I suspect that will adjust once most cooks are at 450 skill, and demand for spices reflects demand for the best buff food; rather than demand to try and reach 450 cooking.

    Dragonfin dishes sell well, but obviously all need Northern Spices, so you cannot make a huge amount of money here.

    Among the non-spiced food, Nettlefish seem to be the most profitable catch. That could simply be because those are found in a zone that many players have not reached yet and/or is not an obvious zone to fish in when training or trying to catch a Dark Herring.

    Pools or Not?

    The best-selling single catch remains the Pygmy Suckerfish, at around 10g each. That poses an interesting problem: Do you fish pools or not? By fishing pools you gain no suckerfish, but you tend to gain more buff food.

    Let's try some simplistic analysis:

    Start with Smoked Salmon/Pickled Fangtooth example. From 100 catches in inland open water, you'll gain about 22 of each fish you want, and 10 suckerfish. On average. That's about 33+44+100 = 177g per 100 catches. Roughly 350g per hour from open water.

    Pools give a 90% catch of your choosen fish, with no suckerfish. Assumimg an equal number of Salmon and Herring pool, that's roughly 68+90 = 158g per 100 catches. And pool fishing takes more time, because you need to move. You have a better chance of crates or Crystalized Water, but even if we assume 24g per 100 catches (equivalent of 10 Crystalized Water), that doesn't make pools more profitable than open water.

    But I started with the cheapest fish! The same analysis of Nettlefish comes out slightly different: A 30% catch from open water, plus suckerfish, gives 90+100 = 190g per 100 catches from open water. Pools (90% Nettlefish) give 270g per 100 catches. Given the proximity of pool spawns in the Basin, pool fishing is probably favorable to open water.

    If you are primarily fishing to make spiced food, the value of suckerfish becomes far less important.

    I also ignored Snapper Extreme in the first example: In small volumes, the "trash fish" can make money. So in the Salmon/Herring case, we would also gain about 18 Snapper Extreme (55 fish), generating an extra 90g per 100 catches.... but only if we could gain about 40 Northern Spices per hour of fish, which isn't practical if you fish for more than 20-30 minutes per day on average.

    No easy answers.

    I'm interested in any further thoughts. Both the balance between pool and open water fishing or profit; and any observations on what is actually selling - particularly anything not considered here so far. Oh, and are raw fish selling? Specifically for producing feasts.

  2. Kahless <Salty>, 11 months ago:

    During my time fishing for the OTDGA I made ~3kg selling Pygmy Suckerfish and RAW Herring, Salmon and Bonescale.
    I gave away to guildmates more Herring and Bonescale than I've sold.

    I didn't research it but my instinct was that the raw fish would sell better since people can use it to level cooking. By sell better I mean quicker, not for more money.
    Suckerfish are selling on my server for 5-6g ea. Raw Herring and Salmon ~1gea and Raw Bonescale ~50s ea

    Northern Spices are selling for ~7-10g ea. I'm not sure using them to cook fish will give you a profit over the raw spice.

  3. Zahana <Angler>, 11 months ago:

    I haven't really looked into it, but I was looking to try and pick up some Dragonfin from the AH the other night and stacks were listed at like 150 gold.

  4. Christhina <Angler>, 11 months ago:

    El,

    Raw fish certainly are selling! I decided to visit the Auction House this weekend, and got a shock.

    I have always taken the farming of one's own stat food for granted - both in the responsibility of doing so, and the capability to do so, especially by fishing.

    It seems, perhaps, that not everyone does, though! I noticed prices for the raw fish, which were quite high, and, being the hoarder that I am, I always keep too much. So, I decided to list some to see how it went.

    Pygmy Suckerfish, I'd already turned into oil on my alchemist, but these sold well, as did Glacial Salmon. Almost to the point where I wished I had more for sale - I'm guessing the caster types are the main buyers of this. Fangtooth Herring was not as popular, but still sold at prices I was very happy to part with. Having seen these results (after relogging to my banker late last night), I listed today some cooked fish I felt I had too much of, but don't know how they have sold yet.

    But, assuredly, raw fish sells (at least on my realm). I suspect we will find some types of fish that always will sell, even when the price settles back a bit (Golden Darter, anyone?). It'll take time to find what those fish are, and what they'll sell for, as things settle down early next yer. Though, I will predict, Glacial Salmon will always be among them, and will be well priced due to supply/demand shortages.

    The stand out of the market, and most interesting question to my mind revolves aroung Pygmy Suckerfish/Pygmy Oil. In the most humblest of opinions I hold, this is ridiculously overvalued on the AH at the moment (Oil @ 7g per on my realm). Despite its use in Guru's Elixir (sought after by all melee DPS), I don't expect the market to bear this price for much longer, simply because it is far too easy to obtain comparative to the current price. I would expect this price to decline in the future, but, if, for some quirk of economics, it doesn't, these will be an incredible income generator for any fisherman or fisherwoman with a little spare time on their hands.

  5. Tsathoggua <Angler>, 11 months ago:

    Pygmy Oil sells, I suspect, not based on its use as an ingredient in other recipes, but rather like Deviate Fish Delight, for its side-effects. It's not an essential, but rather a cosmetic item. As such, I would expect the price to be -lower- whilst a heavy push is on leveling and raiding, and for the price to only go -up- in a year or so.

  6. Marlburo <Extremely Salty>, 11 months ago:

    I've only sold raw fish thus far, but I can say on my server (lightninghoof) they sell all day long for 35g bid 40g buyout. Mainly been doing salmon and nettlefish. I put up about 5-12 stacks a day and haven't had any unsold. I feel like people like to have the opition to spice their own. I will probably end up hording all my spices for myself until there is a new way to aquire them outside the cooking daily.

  7. Noodleguitar <Salty>, 11 months ago:

    Wish the fish were worth that much on my server :P
    Some prices I could sell my fish for:
    Snapper Extreme for 2g25s
    Pygmy Suckerfish for 1g50s - 3g
    Baked Manta Ray for 1g40s

  8. Peter <Angler>, 11 months ago:

    The best fish to sell are

    Poached Nettlefish .. the alternative is worm meat which is difficult to farm

    i'm selling these at 4.7g EACH

    Snapper Extreme, 40 hit rating, there is no comparable food, selling these 7g each
    Rhinolicious Wyrmsteak, 40 expertise, for tanks

    northern spices are down to 4.7 on my server

    fish are very cheap to post on ah, so don't under value your food, our food gives 40stm instead of 30, but don't go into competition with cooked meat

    The alternative to Glacial Salmon is Shoveltusk Steak and the alternative to Grilled Sculpin is Mammoth Meal, both meats are very easy to farm and sell, so i don't go after them or their fishing alternatives at all.

    check your market and when you see a shortage of food in a particular area, post your stock up.

    60AP
    Grilled Sculpin
    Shoveltusk Steak

    30 Crit
    Poached Nettlefish
    Wyrmmeat

    35sp
    Glacial Salmon
    Shoveltusk Steak

    12mp5
    Rhino Dogs
    Pickled Fangtooth

    40hit
    Snapper Extreme

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