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[Fishing] Sea Pony Probability Hypothesis

  1. Aestu <Angler>, 2 months ago:

    The Sea Pony, based on anecdotal evidence, seems to have much greater variation in its drop rate than most drops seen up to this time. Furthermore, there are an unusual number of anecdotes from players on this and many other sites citing extremely protracted drop rates on mains and surprisingly quick drops on alts - often serially.

    Based on these anecdotes, my hypothesis is: the drop rate for the Sea Pony is scaled negatively against certain character statistics. Possible candidates that are relevant, objective, and consistent with this general pattern include:

    - /played time
    - Fishing skill
    - Total fish caught
    - Player level

    Heading off the inevitable "random loot is random," I would point out it is not always that simple, and the WoW Dev Team has demonstrated an increased preference for curving over the years. Quest items, for example, used to have drop rates based on simple probability; today, the chance that most quest items will drop off applicable mobs scales directly with the number of applicable mobs previously looted. Although it is provably untrue that past results influence future performance, it is human nature to so believe, and it may well be good game design to corroborate this human attitude.

    Rather than be content with what is a simple assumption, I think it most intelligent to collect data to corroborate or debunk my hypothesis.

    To my knowledge, no automated tool exists to simultaneously collect and collate said data regarding character statistics and drop rates. Therefore, I can think of no better approach than for interested parties to simply post their data in this thread. From this, perhaps we can notice patterns (or the absence thereof).

  2. Values <Angler>, 2 months ago:

    525 fishing. Roughly 550 after buffs (Had my fishing pole equipped, jeweled one).
    lv85, 170 days in /played
    Total fish caught around 10k.
    11k achievement points

    Got it after ~240 casts. Another tidbit is I also got the rare fish (Steelscale Crushfish) around 200 casts in.

  3. Katecia <Angler>, 2 months ago:

    525 fishing, 555 after buffs (Kalu'ak pole)
    Level 85, 160 days played
    4035 fish caught (5943 fish and "stuff")
    10500 achievement points

    700 casts and I haven't seen it yet.

    • Character: Katecia (US-Wyrmrest Accord-A).
  4. Enarka <Salty Fishing Lady>, 2 months ago:

    45k fish caught
    Level 85, 12 days played
    1860 achievement points
    525 Fishing, 615 after buffs

  5. Renetta <Salty>, 1 month ago:

    Not to spoil the hypothesis, but I think this is clearly wrong. I got the seapony on my... first cast. And yes this is my main with plenty of fishing on it.

    27k fish caught
    10290 achievement points
    Level 85, 125 days played.
    525 fishing 637 buffed.

    I think this is just yet another case of reporting bias. People who get it quickly on their main say nothing yet people who don't get it quickly on their main but faster on an alt, report that as odd. Hence it looks as if there is something, when in reality it's just the same old RNG doing its thing.

  6. rameymj <Angler>, 1 month ago:

    I'm starting to believe your hypothesis. Seems the closer I get to Salty, the longer I have to work for achieves. I got "Old Ironjaw" fairly early between 500-600 casts). I'm nearing 1,000 casts for the sea Pony.

    My alt with few fishing achieves got a Sea Pony in under 100 (about 53 IIRC).

    Of course it just just be random luck.

    ----- 15 minutes later -----

    Well, I just got my sea pony west of the boardwalk between 800-900 casts. Sever time was about 11:20 a.m. Fishing skill 645 (just pole + hat + hat's lure). I think the real key is to bitch on this board about how hard it is. Still need my Giant Sewer Rat. :)

  7. Bedbug <Angler>, 1 month ago:

    7k fish caught
    110 days played
    Got mine off the Boardwalk on my 26th cast.

    Awesome! Thanks for making this site, el. It's helped me and many others so much!

  8. stormbear <Angler>, 1 week ago:

    Got the sea pony in open water on the north tip of Darkmoon Island on my 168th cast.

  9. Jaghine <Angler>, 19 hours ago:

    Sub-L10 Rogue Banking alt. trained for fishing AT Darkmoon Faire & got Sea Pony with 52nd cast after handing in the Fishing 'monthly'... Yup; fishing skill level 52.

    Random is random, end of...

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