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[Contests] The Spirit of STV Extravaganza

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  1. heraklen <Angler>, 9 months ago:

    Actually I have come to think of something beside the obvious reasons stated about the extravaganza not beeing discussed in the countless other threads on this forum and the official.

    Nowadays the extravaganza is not in the spirit of fishing any longer.

    We who like to fish don't mind , relax a bit - drink some Captain rumseys lager and sit down to pull up some fish
    We can fish forever not even thinking about rewards or rares just sit down for the relaxation and everything we fish up is a bonus.
    The competition are supposed to be an element where you compete with other fishermen , ally and horde often side by side with fishing pole in hand instead of weapon and the one who get 40 in shortest time makes the winner.

    Nowadays with the achievement , that spirit is gone , destroyed by people winning at all cost , its not winning in a friendly competition with each other , its winning by all means necessary, many times by people not much into the fishing spirit but into *omg-achievement title 4 the win*.

  2. Kiki <Angler>, 9 months ago:

    I guess you never won it yet,

    :p

  3. Triseult <Salty>, 9 months ago:

    As a counterpoint:

    I have won the Contest last Sunday, after 2.5 months of trying every weekend. Looking back on what I had to do to get here, the question I pondered is, is this fishing?

    I think it is. It's high-pressure, ultra-competitive fishing. Sure, there's a lot of non-fishing-related tricks you need to win (say, ganking people and having escorts), but these are extreme examples of situations you encounter while fishing.

    I brought a friend along 2 weeks ago. He was stunned to see me discuss pool contents, whether to recast or not when your bobber lands near the edge of a pool, and general fishing strategies for high-speed, high-pressure fishing.

    I would argue the Contest is the only instance in the game where Fishing is a pulse-pounding, competitive, stressful experience... but it's Fishing all the same.

    I do believe I've become a better fisherman as a result, too.

  4. heraklen <Angler>, 9 months ago:

    Kiki wrote:

    I guess you never won it yet,
    :p

    No , thats not the point with my post , I stopped competing in the contest even before TBC came out since its not my cup of tea.
    What I wanted to highlight with my post was the changes the competition have undergone since it became an achievement. , I have seen it while being down helping friends to compete both before and after it became what it is today.

  5. Raeliss <Angler>, 9 months ago:

    Although I understand where you are coming from, I don't agree with the sentiment at all.

    I enjoy lazily dangling my line in some secluded lake and listening for the soothing sploosh of my bobber. But I also enjoy the heart-pounding excitement of the STV Fishing Extravaganza! In fact it is, and has been for many months, the highlight of my WoW week.

    Whether you are totally immersed and focused on your bobber, pools and catches as you need to be in the comp, or whether you are enjoying a casual and quiet afternoon of angling, I see the same thing: people enjoying my favourite WoW sport in different ways.

    As for the achievement... anyone going for the Salty title who has put in the hours required to get The One That Didn't Get Away, Mr Pinchy, Old Crafty, Old Ironjaw and the others, is welcome to compete in the Extravaganza with me, whether they normally fish or not.

    If anything is not in the spirit of the contest, it's the Twinks who fish for the hat and boots so that they can PvP better as they mostly have no interest in fishing. But that's what their playstyle requires, so they don't bother me (besides, they often get mauled by crocodiles and raptors *grins*).

  6. Triseult <Salty>, 9 months ago:

    The "advantage" to the twinks, I find, is that they are NOT expert at fishing, so can get pretty bad. An endless source of enjoyment for me is to see one try to fish from my pool, and land their bobber outside the edge of the pool, unaware the Contest pools have a much smaller radius than normal pools.

    The other day, I even saw a twink on Yojamba Isle who had no idea you had to fish in pools to get the rare fish. She started fishing in open water, and did so for 10 mins before she realized she was probably doing something wrong. She had also asked me for lures before the start of the contest... Man that was priceless.

    Then, as Raeliss pointed out, there's those who will follow you to the coast north of Yojamba in the hopes of stealing your pools, only to aggro crocolisks and die next to you... That always makes my day.

  7. heathisrael <Angler>, 9 months ago:

    I would argue the Contest is the only instance in the game where Fishing is a pulse-pounding, competitive, stressful experience... but it's Fishing all the same.

    I actually agree with this whole-heartedly. You wipe in a raid...big deal, you do a corpse run and try again...the only push is that you have a bedtime to meet.

    the clock is pushing you hard in the tourney. its a 50lb weight over your head...and you only have one shot per week.

    its the most competitive event in WoW right now. i love it (errr, not that i compete any more. :o )

  8. llie <Salty>, 9 months ago:

    Pre-WOTLK I did the fishing Extravaganza every Sunday. I did it for the fun of it and cause it was something different to do. I decided it would be fun to go all out so I even made a fishing outfit which included the fishing boots, gloves with the +2 to fishing that matched, the azure silk belt for swim speed boost, the hat from the fishing daily etc. I got the Salty title a couple weeks after Wrath came out. I continued to do the fishing extravaganza after that but not as often. Recently I started doing it again and have won 3 out of the 4 times i've done it since the expansion. It's been a bigger challenge though since the achievement came out cause there are a lot more people that do it. Last time i did it I won and afterwards had almost every other person whispering me and insulting me in general chat saying things like"She's cheating! She was won last time. I think she found a way to hack WoW! She couldnt have won already!" or " That Pally should be banned from the tournament cause she already has the title" or "Why don't you give everyone else a chance for once" or " You're such a greedy jerk". Anyway... I enjoy participating in the extravaganza and don't really see a reason why I should stop participating or winning just cause of a bunch of people who are only doing it for the title. I also think that that gives me an even bigger reason to participate. People that are rude to me about it just want to make me defend the title all the more. I've been giving it a lot of thought and I'm just not sure if it's worth it anymore. I don't like being harassed about it but at the same time dont want to give up something I like doing just so that every Tom, Dick and Harry out there can get another achievement and a title for it. :S What do you think? I would like to hear some opinions although I'm pretty sure some of them are going to based on whether the person has won it or not. Lol thanks :)

  9. Triseult <Salty>, 9 months ago:

    llie,

    I'd certainly be pissed off at you if I was trying to win the contest and you kept winning it. At the same time, it would just motivate me to try and beat you, and the day that I did, I'd rub it in your face. :)

    If enjoyment is the primary reason you do it, then by all means keep doing it!

  10. llie <Salty>, 9 months ago:

    Thanks Triseult! I do do it for the enjoyment. :) And it's not that I blame people for being pissed. It's more that they all seem to be such sore losers and they can say some pretty rude things. I don't win to be a jerk... which is what they think. And if the people that complain at me for winning beat me sometime I would be the first to step up and congratulate them. :)

  11. heraklen <Angler>, 9 months ago:

    llie

    I understand why you do what you do , its like in real life where you defend your title , I have mixed emotions about this but at least doing what you do still is in the spirit of the competition.
    Tho after 2 wins the only thing to feed is your own pride , maybe you should be a nice fellow , heart to booty bay not klicking on vendor and wave to the nr2 when they unknowingly runs to the vendor and "wins" even tho you were there first?

    What I have objections about is that people use all means neccessary to win ... like having their whole guild running around killing or harassing other contestants , jumping on bobbers , placing mammoth in pools etc , thats not something I like about the extravaganza nowadays.

  12. Utopia <Salty>, 9 months ago:

    It's considered bad form to compete to win after you've done it twice,as it stops others from winning.
    It's an unwritten rule,but most stick to it,as it makes you look like a bit of an arse to others,especially since the inclusion of the achievement system.

  13. Azaguth <Salty>, 9 months ago:

    I've won twice and I still compete. I have no qualms about it. It's not bad form, it's competition.

    And it's not about guild ganking and being a jerk, I win solo, and have done so twice SINCE wrath came out.

    I won't lie. It's not consistent. A lot of it is preparation, but then a lot of it comes down to luck.

    10 oily blackmouths in a row isn't a lack of preparation, it's bad luck.

    Getting ganked repeatedly may be poor preparation. You should have a general idea of where the opposing faction are and where they aren't on your server, or where they most likely fish.

  14. llie <Salty>, 9 months ago:

    Heraklen, I think that sounds like a pretty good idea. Haha. And I agree with you and Azaguth. I also win solo. I don't bring friends to distract others by jumping in pools etc. and I keep to myself. I'm on a PvE server so I don't have to worry about being ganked or ganking others, however if i was on PvP server I would only do it if they were doing it to me (or else I would be pretty much forfeiting). Another thing that really bothers me is that a lot of the people who whisper me and insult me after I win are those who are constantly talking in general chat saying things like " OK. I've got 16 fish! What's everyone else at?!" and then a few minutes later " I'm at 28 now! How bout the rest of you?!" Honestly, I don't think the people that do that really have any right to complain since they're probably wasting all their time talking and complaining instead of fishing. : / I only use methods that any other participant can use (unless they're too low level to have an epic mount) and I don't win every time I participate. They say I'm not giving anyone else a chance... but if they're participating and are using all the methods they should be using and are paying attention they have just as much of a chance to win as I do.

  15. Marlburo <Extremely Salty>, 9 months ago:

    I say it every sunday.....the tournament is where you separate the fisherboys from the fishermen. im all about throwing out thousands of casts for that super rare drop or for just plain fun don't get me wrong. however, anyone can do that. As for this unwritten rule about not winning after you have won twice? hogwash. a tournament win is like a beer. you'd step over your own mother just to get one. but you cant stop at one.....you want to drink another tournament....AND ANOTHER!

  16. Schrodinger <Salty>, 9 months ago:

    Well every week I have gone there now for .....6 months..maybe 8...cant remember.

    Anyway I am usually always on 38, and usually end up having 10 oilys. I have twice been caught hearthing. Also many times I have seen the "OMGLOL FIRST TIME I BE HERE, I BETEZ OU NOOBSSSS LOLRFOLLOL!!!!!".

    Its irritating, it makes me want to wrap my fishing line around there throat, and turn them into fishmeal.

    But I have learnt just to swallow my pride and try again. Last person I encountered won twice using his guild to mammoth on pools.

    People have said "use a scout" but I want to do it on my own. Also even if I wanted help, none of my guildies really give a damn.

    So its back every week, hoping that maybe this time I will win.........=/...

    Wish me luck 20 min to this weeks

  17. Marlburo <Extremely Salty>, 9 months ago:

    good luck friend, but let me say this. I dont believe anyone who say they have gone to the tournament for the first time and won. You can say its your first time all you want, there is no way to prove it......and I will never believe it can be done.

  18. Micha <Salty>, 9 months ago:

    I agree, and I've won it twice. I could have won it three times, but I decided to help somebody else win, and he did despite having fewer tastyfish than me when I helped him. I consider that my third victory by proxy. I stopped soon after since I had gotten every item you can get from the contest (including the Rockhide Strongfish). I probably could have won it five times by now if I had wanted to, and I'm not alone. A lot of the people on these forums have pretty much figured out the contest. I won both times before it was even required by the title.

    I think the title is the problem. People have some weird fixation with titles. I don't mind if most people go for it, since most people play fair. The fact, though? Some people will cheat if a title is involved. And yeah, using guildies to screw with other anglers is cheating.

  19. Kiada <Salty>, 9 months ago:

    Well, I've finally won the tournament two weeks ago on a PVP-Server. I did bring some friends for an escort, because in previous attempts I have been attacked by Alliance players. So they simply were around, to discourage players from attacking me. Otherwise they did nothing. On a PVE Server this would not have been nessesary.

    That's what I've been missing - the spirit. I've infrequently tried to win the tourney over the years on my other chars (I did switch my main going from classic to bc and again going to lk). And before the achievment was implemented, I've had much less troube with the opposite faction than now.

    Well I still continue to fish after someone won, since after all the time I'm still missing the boots, and after a winner is announced, it's much more back to the "original" spirit.

    On a sidenote: I don't try to win the tourney for a second time. Should I do, I'd be surprised, but I would definitly not turn in a third win, I do think that it would be rude.

  20. Triseult <Salty>, 9 months ago:

    Yesterday, out of habit, I decided to participate in the Contest even though I won last week. I made my way to Yojamba Isle, only to find a friend whom I had tipped off on my winning location. He was quite miffed to see me there, although he was trying to stay polite.

    After a few minutes of being repeatedly challenged to a duel by a nearby twink, and seeing the twinks gather round on the island, I understood. It was time to move on. Sure, I wanted the trinket pretty bad, but hey, I have the title and the fishing pole... That's all I really need.

    I used my Loop of the Kirin Tor and went to set my hearthstone in Dalaran. I guess I realized it was time to hang my fishing hat as far as the STV contest goes.

    That afternoon, I healed a couple of heroics for my guildies. Still, it feels weird not being on Yojamba swearing at twink packs. Who knew I'd miss it...

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