5.1 Fishing

Fishing highlights from patch 5.1, now going live:

Important updates:

Other changes are summarised below:

Stranglethorn Contest

Key changes to the Stranglethorn Extravaganza Contest, which returns in patch 5.1 after being disabled in 5.0:

The Kalu'ak Fishing Derby has not returned in patch 5.1.

Stranglethorn Pools

The type of pools found in and around Northern Stranglethorn and The Cape of Stranglethorn have changed, notably with new Mixed Ocean School around the coast.

Bloodsail Wreckage Pool appear to have been replaced by Waterlogged Wreckage Pool, making The Scavenger impossible to complete.

Update: Redbelly Mandarin School have been removed from The Jade Forest, making that fish harder to catch.

The Anglers

Cooking and Farming

Please use the Forums to let us know of any other changes.

Comments about 5.1 Fishing

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Nat Pagle's Friendship: The Fish ARE in Pools!

  1. Clawmarks, October 2012:

    On the page about Nat Pagle's Friendship, under Strategy, El wrote:

    "These Pagle fish cannot (at the time of writing) be caught from pools, only open water"

    I'm happy to report that today, I caught a Flying Tiger Gourami in a Redbelly Mandarin pool in the Jade Forest. What a relief it was to see I could stick to fishing in pools of fish that I needed for my cooking and I would not miss out on these dailies with each cast! <3

  2. el, October 2012:

    I'll keep on testing this, but I'm sceptical because I have a couple of thousand pool catches since release (and thousands more on test), and have never caught a Pagle fish from a pool.

    At the risk of sounding prematurely dismissive, one possible explanation for what you saw is phasing: Several parts of the Jade Forest (especially in the center) are phased. In Pandaria, pools exist simultaneously in all phases at once. Consequently a pool can be emptied by an angler in a different phase, who cannot themselves be seen. Unfortunately the visual update process lags, while the catch is instantly determined by what the server expects you to be seeing. So one can have a situation where the catch appears to come from a pool, but the pool was actually emptied a few seconds earlier by an angler in a different phase - and the server gives you an open water fish, while you're still looking at a pool. It is a rare occurrence, and combined with a Pagle fish is even rarer, but I'll mention it as a possibility.

    Edit: See update below - as of patch 5.1 these fish are caught in pools.

  3. Dajo, October 2012:

    10/08/12 5PM

    Caught a Tiger Gourami from the Dojani River while I was on the Angler quest 'Shocking!'.

    So these can in fact be caught from quest locations!

  1. Clawmarks, October 2012:

    El, I concede your point. The possibility that cross-phasing pools can be visually deceiving is frustrating to say the least. If you and others have fished thousands, then statistical anomalies like my catch are bound to occur but cannot be said to be significant enough to make such a claim. I recently finished off a Reef Octopus pool, and let my last bobber stay for a catch after the pool had been spent. The immediate catch after the pool's disappearance was a Mimic Octopus, and, had the visual lagged, I would have jumped to the same conclusion as before.

    I remember I once (and only once) got a skill up from a gray level profession production. In the seven years I have played, including maxing all the professions available, and some of those multiple times, it has never happened again. Perform enough tests, and odd blips in the data will occur.

    Thanks for being professional, El. :)

  2. Scornn, October 2012:

    Just caught a Flying Tiger Gourami from a Tiger Gourami pool on the Spring road (4th cast), right where you take the quest to travel through the tunnel to K-L Summit.

  3. el, November 2012:

    So as of patch 5.1, these fish are now in pools. From Jonathan LeCraft:

    "The special fish that Nat Pagle craves can now be caught from fishing pools as well."

    I assume this means catches from pools found in appropriate areas of water. For example, Spinefish Alpha from Spinefish School, not from all pools in Pandaria. Confirmations would be great - this is a time-consuming change to test!

  4. Madruga, November 2012:

    Came rushing here because I got a Flying Tiger Gourami from a pool today! Only to see that this was a change in patch 5.1 *blushes*

    But anyway, I got not 1, but 2 Flying Tiger Gouramis from Krasarang Paddlefish pools in Valley of Four Winds today. The first was from a pool right next to the spotwhere Galleon spawns. I went to deliver the quest, and 15 minutes later, another one popped up from another Krasarang Paddlefish pool, this time to the left of Stormstout Brewery.

    For the record, it was 6:00 PM my server time, my fishing is maxed out, I was not using any fishing gear, but was using the Pandaren Fisherman buff.

  5. Noodleguitar, December 2012:

    At level 87, I was fishing in Tiger Gourami pools and I caught a Flying Tiger Gourami. Still this level, I was able to go to Nat Pagle and turn in the fish and I got the full rewards (reputation and Valor points).

  6. Truffula, December 2012:

    Has anyone caught anything but the Flying Tiger Gourami in pools? It's all I've seen mentioned and all I've caught in pools from the Vale.

  7. el, December 2012:

    Catches from pools broadly mimic open water: Flying Tiger Gourami in all the inland pools except Spinefish School, which contain Spinefish Alpha, with Mimic Octopus in Giant Mantis Shrimp Swarm and Reef Octopus Swarm. Quests require level 85 or above.

  8. Tikicarol, December 2012:

    Caught a "Flying Tiger Gourami" from a pool inside that cave on the far west coast of Townlong Steeps while on the guest that takes you there. It was only my 3 or 4th cast hence my surprise. I screamed "Oh My GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD" In real life :D, then came right here to see that in fact it's kind of common.
    Oh well......

  9. Noodleguitar, December 2012:

    It seems that using the Ancient Pandaren Charm does not increase your chances to catch one of the rare fish from pools. This screenshot shows I caught 2 Reef Octopus along with the Mimic Octopus, so therefore even if the Charm procs, the loot still has an equal chance for a rare to be included.

  10. salty stratt, December 2012:

    not sure about this... the first rare fish i ever caught was a flying tiger out of an emperor salmon pool near halfhill right after MoP went live. i didn't even know there were rare fish up until then... that said, that was the only rare i've ever caught from a pool.

  11. Harbin, December 2012:

    I catch all 3 each day from pools, I do however get bored with the Spinefish Alpha so just open fish him sometimes, seems to be the best way to make money along the way, however can be very time consuming

  12. Harbin, December 2012:

    I catch all 3 each day from pools, I do however get bored with the Spinefish Alpha so just open fish him sometimes, seems to be the best way to make money along the way, however can be very time consuming

  13. belgal, December 2012:

    I was happily surprised when I caught 2 Flying Tiger Gourami from the pools in Dojani River in Karasang Wilds today. Leveling alt fishing AND rep = WIN!

  14. Druegar, January 2013:

    You can have two Unique items? I didn't think that was possible.

Stranglethorn Contest and Timezones

  1. el, November 2012:

    On test realms, it looked like the new-and-improved Stranglethorn contest was intended to run at 14:00 PST (Pacific) regardless of the native timezone of the realm. Crude, but that prevents the worst of the CRZ issues. I expect this to convert into a region-specific schedule, eg all US realms run the contest at the same (physical world) time - such as 14:00 PST. Sadly it won't be obvious for EU servers, since all of those are at CET.

    So, could someone who plays on a set of differently timezoned US realms please check the time the Booty Bay contest is scheduled for on each and report back? The equivalent realm time should be displayed on the calendar. Thanks in advance.

  2. el, November 2012:

    This post confirms the answer - PST for all US realms, except Oceanic realms, which will run the contest at 14:00 Australian EST.

    This implies that winning is determined by the realm you complete the quest on, not your home realm. Maybe the quests are simply weekly, so wherever you complete a winning quest, that character cannot complete that quest again during the same week: For example, you could switch to an Oceanic realm (via a CRZ group) and complete the winning quest there, and therefore must not be able to compete again on a US realm later in the day. (Obviously you cannot store fish between events either, because the time gap is too large. The important thing is that one cannot make two legitimate attempts at winning the contest each week.)

    All time variations (especially catches) are expected to be adjusted to these region-specific single timezones. For example, the standard 00:00-06:00-12:00-18:00 pattern is expected to be relative to PST on (non-Oceanic) US realms. Any confirmations of that would be useful.

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