When Blizzard started revealing details of the expansion, they promised some fresh fish:
"We're still evaluating some ideas for fishing that we're not ready to share yet, but I can tell you that there will definitely be new high-level fish for our anglers to catch in the expansion." - Frank Pearce, Executive Producer, July 2006.
And not much more has been known until now...
Skill increases are still somewhat random. The average number of catches per point of skill gained was:
- Skill 300-325: 9 catches per skill point.
- Skill 325-375: 10 catches per skill point.
Increasing skill from 300 to 375 takes about 700 successful catches. There is no need to fish in Outland - skill can be gained in Azeroth too.
Draenei and Red Snappah
Azuremyst Isle and Bloodmyst Isle, the two new Draenei zones, contain the same fish as other level 1-10 and 10-20 zones. Only Raw Slitherskin Mackerel can be caught from the coast of Azuremyst Isle. The coast of Bloodmyst Isle contains Raw Rainbow Fin Albacore, Raw Slitherskin Mackerel and Oily Blackmouth. Named inland areas of Azuremyst Isle (such as Silverline Lake) have Raw Brilliant Smallfish and Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper. There is a quirk in other inland areas - they contain the zone's coastal fish.
School of Red Snapper can be found close to the Draenai starting area, near Ammen Ford. These pools cannot be fished conventionally with a fishing pool. They can only be fished as part of the quest, "Red Snapper - Very Tasty!" from Diktynna, in Azuremyst Isle. The quest involves swimming close to schools and using the Draenei Fishing Net (provided) to catch ten Red Snapper. Some schools spawn an Angry Murloc. The reward for the quest is a basic Fishing Pole and a Shiny Bauble.
Red Snappers featured in the movie Red Snappah! - a parody of the Ahn'Qiraj war effort in which stacks of fished Red Snappers were continually requested. The movie was an entry for the Xfire Machinima competition. Minako Aino tells me the quest is instead (or perhaps also) a reference to 'Weird Al' Yankovic's 1989 film, UHF, which features a game called "Wheel of Fish". The film includes the line, "Ahhh, a red snapper. Mmmmm, very tasty. Okay, Weaver, listen carefully. You can hold on to your red snapper...". Very tasty, indeed.
The two new Blood Elf zones are similar to the Draenei zones, and so similar to other level 1-10 and 10-20 zones. Raw Slitherskin Mackerel can be caught from the coast of Eversong Woods, Raw Brilliant Smallfish and Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper from named inland areas. The coast of the Ghostlands contains Raw Rainbow Fin Albacore, Raw Slitherskin Mackerel and Oily Blackmouth. From inland areas of the Ghostlands can be caught Raw Brilliant Smallfish, Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish and Raw Longjaw Mud Snapper.
Cooked fish from Outland are a lot tastier than pre-expansion food.
-  Sold by Doba (Alliance) or Gambarinka (Horde) in Zangarmarsh.
-  Sold by Uriku (Alliance) or Nula the Butcher (Horde), in Nagrand (Outland).
-  Sold by Innkeeper Biribi (Alliance) or Rungor (Horde), in Terokkar Forest.
-  Sold by Doba (Alliance) or Zurai (Horde) in Zangarmarsh.
-  Sold by Juno Dufrain in Cenarion Refuge, Zangarmarsh.
-  Sold by many vendors.
Raw Greater Sagefish is not unique to Outland, and is easier to catch in Old Azeroth.
No-Junk Fishing Skill
The table below shows the fishing skill required to fish without junk, in different areas of Outland.
|No-Junk Skill||Zones and Areas|
|375||Hellfire Peninsula, Nagrand (Outland) (Forge Camp Hate) and Shadowmoon Valley (Outland)|
|400||Coilfang Reservoir and Zangarmarsh (East)|
|450||Terokkar Forest (Rivers) and Zangarmarsh (West)|
|475||Nagrand (Outland) (General) and Netherstorm|
|490||Nagrand (Outland) (Lakes)|
|500||Terokkar Forest (Lakes)|
Some of the named areas around the edges of Serpent Lake in Zangarmarsh have a no-junk skill of 400, so it is possible to fish certain pools within the lake at this lower skill level. Blackwind Lake, Lake Ere'Noru, Lake Jorune and the Elemental Plateau can only be reached with a flying mount. Blackwind Valley and Skettis, also in the same area as Blackwind Lake, has a no-junk skill of 450, like the rest of Terokkar Forest.
Many areas of water cannot be fished. Some are too shallow. Others warn that no fish are there when you try and fish. No dungeon instances are known to contain fishable water.
One new fishing pole has been added - Seth's Graphite Fishing Pole. The pole gives a +20 bonus to fishing, but requires 200 fishing skill. It also has a huge (+52) stamina bonus, which should help fishing folk survive a few seconds longer. The pole has the same bonus as the Big Iron Fishing Pole, but is easier to gain at high level. Seth's pole is a quest reward for Rather Be Fishin' from Seth in refuge area of Shattrath City. The Pristine Shimmerscale Eels required for the quest can't be caught - they are dropped by the Shimmerscale Eels in Silmyr Lake.
Outland Open-Water Fishing
The following table lists fish caught in open water. Outland has no sea - only inland water.
In addition to fish, other items are rarely caught from open-water fishing:
- Curious Crate - boxes that contain 2-6 Knothide Leather Scraps, 1-3 Netherweave Cloth, or 1-3 Fel Iron Ore.
- Goldenscale Vendorfish - they sell to vendors for 6 gold.
- Inscribed Scrollcase - these contain 1-3 level 60 scrolls.
- Mote of Water (1-2) - ten motes can be converted to one Primal Water by clicking on the stack. Primal Water cannot be converted back to motes.
- Enormous Barbed Gill Trout - offhand.
- Huge Spotted Feltail - offhand.
Open Water Catch Rates
I have sampled catches across five locations, (one for each zone/skill combination). Each location was fished for at least two hours:
- Nagrand (Outland), East of Halaa.
- Nagrand (Outland), Lake Sunspring.
- Terokkar Forest, Silmyr Lake.
- Zangarmarsh, Marshlight Lake.
- Zangarmarsh, Umbrafen Lake.
I found no significant variation between places within the same zone. I also fished across a range of time periods, but found no significant variation by time. I cannot be certain that these variations do not exist, but if they do exist they are minor (a few percent difference) or use entirely unexpected patterns.
The average catch rate per minute was 2.1, which is lower than the 2.5 previously recorded in Azeroth. I subsequently compared the average catch rate over an hour of continuous fishing in Stormwind and Zangarmarsh, and both were the same at 2.4 catches per minute (fishing has since been made faster by patches 2.1 and 3.1).
The table below shows the percentage of all catches in each zone for each fish type.
|Zone||Catches||Barbed Gill Trout||Golden Darter||Figluster's Mudfish||Icefin Bluefish||Spotted Feltail||Zangarian Sporefish||Other|
Barbed Gill Trout offer no buff when cooked, so are of little use. However, they are the majority of all fish caught. So how can you catch the fish you want more than about 20% of the time? The answer is, of course, pools.
Outland Pool Fishing
Pools of fish called schools are common in Outland. They behave in the same way as pools in Azeroth - after catching 2-8 fish, each pool disappears. Pools then reappear over time.
Known named fish pools are:
|Pool (School)||Common Catch||Zones and Areas|
|Bluefish School||Icefin Bluefish||Inland: Nagrand (Outland) (except Forge Camp Hate)|
|Brackish Mixed School||Inland: Terokkar Forest (Rivers), Zangarmarsh|
|Highland Mixed School||Furious Crawdad||Inland: Terokkar Forest (Lakes) (lakes Blackwind, Ere'Noru and Jorune)|
|Mudfish School||Figluster's Mudfish||Inland: Nagrand (Outland) (except Forge Camp Hate)|
|Pure Water||Mote of Water||Inland: Nagrand (Outland) (except Forge Camp Hate)|
|School of Darter||Golden Darter||Inland: Terokkar Forest (Rivers)|
|Sporefish School||Zangarian Sporefish||Inland: Zangarmarsh|
|Steam Pump Flotsam||Inland: Zangarmarsh|
These pools appear in zones where the named fish can also be caught by open-water fishing, except for Furious Crawdad, which can only be caught from Highland Mixed Schools. All pools also sometimes contain the same other (non-fish) items caught from open-water fishing, such as Curious Crate and Goldenscale Vendorfish.
In lower parts of Nagrand, Pure Water pools are mixed with Bluefish and Mudfish Schools. However, the Elemental Plateau (above the Throne of the Elements) in Nagrand (Outland) contains a separate set of six pool spawning points where only Pure Water pools appear. This area requires a flying mount or (Druid) flying ability to reach. See the Fishing Pure Water topic for more information about fishing these pools.
Pool Catch Rates
I have fished 30-35 of each pool type, in each zone the pool type is found. All during beta version 2.0.2. This isn't enough to give precise catch rates, but should give a reasonable indication of patterns. The table below summarises the average quantity of fish gained from fishing one pool empty, for each type of pool.
|Pool Type||Pools Sampled||Catches per Pool||Average quantity gained from fishing one pool|
|Average||Range||Main Fish||Secondary Fish||Mote of Water||Other Items|
|Bluefish School||39||6.0||4-8||Icefin Bluefish||4.7||-||-||0.7||0.9|
|Highland Mixed School||347||3.1||2-4||Furious Crawdad||2.0||Golden Darter||0.6||0.2||0.4|
|Mudfish School||32||2.9||2-4||Figluster's Mudfish||2.4||-||-||0.2||0.4|
|School of Darter||34||3.1||2-4||Golden Darter||2.2||-||-||0.5||0.6|
|Sporefish School||35||6.5||4-8||Zangarian Sporefish||5.1||-||-||0.5||1.0|
|Steam Pump Flotsam||35||3.1||2-4||Heavy Supply Crate||0.9||Steam Pump Debris||1.3||0.5||0.6|
The total number of Mote of Water caught is shown. Since more than one mote can be caught by one catch, the quantity of motes gained by fishing Pure Water pools is greater than the number of catches. Note that the range and average catches per pool for Highland Mixed Schools and School of Darter was subsequently raised, probably to a range of 3-5 and an average of 4 (I have not had the opportunity to check this robustly).
For analysis of Brackish Mixed Schools, see patch 2.4 changes.
It is important to recognise that the size of pools varies by type. Most contain 2-4 catches, while Bluefish and Sporefish Schools contain 4-8. The average number of catches is approximately the mid-point of the range.
All this makes comparing the average catch per pool for motes and other items misleading: The best yield tends to come from the biggest pool. Instead, express the catches of motes and other items as a percentage of the total catch. These are much more consistent. Excluding pools of Pure Water, 5% of catches are Mote of Water - with an equal chance of catching either one or two motes. Over all pool types, around 13% of catches will be "other items", which breaks down as:
- Curious Crate - 4%
- Enormous Barbed Gill Trout - 2%
- Goldenscale Vendorfish - 1%
- Huge Spotted Feltail - 2%
- Inscribed Scrollcase - 4%
Patch 2.3 added the chance of finding a Weather-Beaten Journal in Outland's Curious and Heavy Supply Crates. The journal teaches the "Find Fish" ability. The patch also added a rare catch from Steam Pump Flotsam - Strange Engine Part. Each part starts a quest (level 55+ required). For Alliance, simply deliver the Strange Engine Part to K. Lee Smallfry in Telredor.
Pool Fishing Efficiency
At least two-thirds of the catch from named-fish pools are that single named fish. In contrast, around a fifth of fish caught in relevant open water will be that named fish. So pools are clearly better. Right? Maybe, at least with patch 2.4: The patch introduced Brackish Mixed Schools, which finally made Golden Darter easier to catch from pools.
Some pools are clearly better than open-water fishing. Bluefish Schools contain just under five Icefin Bluefish each, so you only need fish 6 pools an hour to make pool-fishing attractive. There are far more pool spawning points in Nagrand, so sustaining pool fishing hour after hour should be reasonable. Spawning points in Nagrand are shared by three different pool types. Assuming each is equally likely to appear (which seems reasonable), 7 or 8 Bluefish Schools should be fishable each hour, even if all pools have to be fished to sustain it. In addition, one of the other three pools is Pure Water, so vastly more motes will be gained than from the equivalent open-water fishing.
Pure Water pools compare favourably to grinding monsters for Motes of Water: Mob drop rates are around 30%, so you'd need to kill about 14 Lake/Muck Spirit/Surgers to gain the same as fishing one pool of Pure Water. The set of six Pure Water spawning points on the Elemental Plateau take just over an hour to respawn once fished, so fishing them cannot be sustained. But if you are lucky, and fish the area when nobody else has fished it recently, you can gain around 25 motes in about 10 minutes of fishing. Primal Water (made from 10 motes) is an essential building block of many professions, and will always be in demand.
- Catching Mr. Pinchy - How to catch Mr. Pinchy, who may grant you a rare Magical Crawdad pet.
- Fishing Pure Water - How to fish pools of Pure Water in Nagrand for Mote of Water, which combine to make Primal Water.
- Getting Started - Contains information for the beginner. If you've never picked up a fishing pole in your life, or have only just started fishing, this chapter is for you.
- Faster Fishing with Patch 2.1.0 - Summarises and clarifies the changes to fishing speed with patch 2.1.
- 2.3 Changes - Patch 2.3's changes to fishing, including the pool Tracking Journal.
- 2.4 Changes - Patch 2.4's changes to fishing, including daily quests and Isle of Quel'Danas.
- The Burning Crusade - Official preview, with no mention of fishing.