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El's Angling Made Me Rich

  • Kreight, April 2009

    Sort of.

    I tried posting this in the Blizzard professions forum and got, at best, some indifferent comments. I feel, though, that the readers here will be a little more receptive. One of the comments I got was that as far as efficient money making techniques go this one is far from perfect, but it just so happens that it fits my time schedule well. It's also primarily based around fishing, in which everyone here is already well versed.

    So it was El's that really gave me the original idea. I was already at 450 in both my fishing and cooking, but I was reading over the cooking/fishing leveling guide here. The thought was this... Could I just go out and follow that guide, fish up the amounts detailed therein, pick up the recipes, cookbooks, quest requirements, etc, and then sell them in one big package?

    I decided to give it a shot. I think the first run through was maybe 5 hours total fishing and farming mobs. I didn't buy anything. When I was done, I used a friend's alt as a test subject. The idea was that we could just park the alt in Dal and use it to run the cooking quest and get Northern Spices. Incidentally, I only did 1-400. You can't get to 450 in one sitting, and 400 lets you cook the recipes bought with the cooking awards, so it was a good place to stop.

    So it pretty much went off without a hitch. It was about 45 minutes, 1-400, and that included getting to Gadget for the artisan quest. 3.1 has made things easier as you can get artisan at the trainers, and you don't need to pick up the cookbooks any longer.

    So once I knew it was doable, I gathered two more sets of mats and tried to sell them. I'm not sure what amount I tried at first, but soon after I set upon 1250g as my price. Things went so well I haven't stopped since.

    If people are interested in specifics I'd be happy to share, but one of the complaints about my forum post was that it was too long, and people didn't want to read walls of text. The short version is this.... I've sold almost 70 of these kits in the last 3 months, and have probably made between 60,000 - 70,000g. (I don't always charge full price.)

    One thing that makes this work is that I'm enjoying running an in game business. If you're a hard-core raider and most of your time is spent running instances this might not be for you. But if you'd like to try something new and make a little cash, you might want to give it a shot.

  • SlugSalter, April 2009

    I would be very interested in specifics, this sounds right up my street.

  • AbsolutRunner, April 2009

    I also am interested in hearing more. Perhaps you could link the post you put in the official forums, or flesh it out here, as you wish!

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  • Desertbull, April 2009

    I like fishing, my guild has been disbanded, my wallet is always empty.
    Tell us more please, fishers are used to be patient, so don't worry we couldn't manage to read a wall of text.

  • e2thex, April 2009

    I have thought about selling "powerleveling packages" before but I've always been too lazy to try it. I'm glad to hear that you've been successful at it and would love to hear more.

  • Kreight, April 2009

    I actually wrote up a bunch of stuff already because a friend of mine wanted to try this. That was a couple of months ago, so I'm trying to run through and update things a little. I should be done pretty soon, though, so check back in a few hours.

  • Kreight, April 2009

    Ok, all done. Like I said, it's pretty lengthy. If anyone actually decides to go through with this, keep me in the loop. I'd be really interested to find out how things are working for you, and if you've done anything new that I hadn't thought of.

  • Aqusia, April 2009

    I got extremely excited when I read your document! I absolutely <3 fishing and cooking, so this is perfect for me ^_^ I am going to just try it for myself at first without the whole kits thing, but your walkthrough is comprehensive enough that I feel completely confident in printing it out, and follow your word to the letter when I do want to start my own business.

    My only question is, can you have a guild bank without being a part of a guild? Is it possible to be the only person in the guild? I would like to try this with a guild bank tab, but I'm worried that another person would take all my beautiful mats. How do you achieve this without problems?

  • Rodge, April 2009

    Fantastic idea - I levelled up 3 chars to high level cooking and I'd certainly have paid 1250 gold rather than doing that!

    My only question is, can you have a guild bank without being a part of a guild? Is it possible to be the only person in the guild? I would like to try this with a guild bank tab, but I'm worried that another person would take all my beautiful mats. How do you achieve this without problems?

    What you do is you get a guild charter - then get 9 people to sign your charter (you can usually get people to sign up an alt for 1-5g fee in any city.
    Then when you turn in your charter and create your guild, you can kick everyone out of the guild again. You don't even need to kick them out - as it's your guild then you're the only person with admin rights to the gbank so you can revoke all priveleges to everyone except yourself.

  • Kreight, April 2009

    The only thing I have to add about starting your own guild is that they're a bit of a pain. Getting that charter means standing around begging people for signatures. I was offering 10g a pop at one time and spent maybe half an hour without getting any. Maybe it was just dumb luck. Before getting your own charter, you might try asking in trade chat if anyone has a guild you can buy.

    Tabs increase in price each time you purchase one. They start at 100g for the first, then 250g, 500g, 1000g, 2500g and 5000g. The first 3 tabs are totally worth it, and even the fourth 1000g tab wasn't too bad when I was really running out of space. I can't quite bring myself to pay more, since I can always just make more alts for next to nothing. I realize that's not an option for everyone since some people have their 10-characters filled with alts they actually play.

    I lucked out with my first bank and bought it outright; 3 tabs for 450g which was a great deal. What's more, the guy left a ton of crap in it and I probably made close to 200g selling it all.

    My second bank on Khadgar was loaned to me by a nice customer I had that wasn't using it. It was only a single tab, but not having to go through the charter business made it totally worth it. I've since bought two more tabs. I'm not sure if he wants it back when I'm done with it, but even if he does, the 750g for the two tabs I bought it the cost of doing business. I've got full control of the guild, and he doesn't have access to my stock.

    My last bank was from another past customer, and he's actually still the GM, so if he wanted to he could snatch all my stuff. Some people you just trust, though, and this guy is one of them. Technically I'm leasing his bank, since I paid him rent for several months.

    So try to buy one first. If you can find someone who you really trust, you can try renting one without them giving up guild control. Or you can just make your own.

  • Kreight, April 2009

    Oh, I thought of a couple more things... Advertising via direct mail and coupons!

    Coupons! No, I'm not nuts. Here's how you make an in game coupon. Unfortunately you need to have a crafting profession, so if you're all gathering you're out of luck. Get some mats and make up a bunch of one of your lowest level items. On Khadgar I picked up tailoring and made some linen cloaks. Now you've got some items that can't be duplicated, because your name is tacked onto them because you created it. (Not that anyone would probably care enough to try and cheat you, but having coupons is just cool.)

    Now you've got a coupon you can hand out. You can give them to customers you've just trained, and tell them it's 100g off for whoever uses it, so they can give it to a friend or a guildmate.

    I've also done referral fees with some success. For a while I was actually paying out 125g. The idea being that other people would do your word of mouth advertising for you and bring you customers, and you'd send them a little kickback. 125g might have been a little high. I like the coupon idea, with 100g off, and 50g for the referrer. That seemed to work well.

    I tried a little direct mail, too. I wrote up an add, and then sent that to like 10 random people I saw standing around in SW, along with a coupon. That actually didn't work, too well. I only had one person use it. He actually used the coupon, though, which I thought was awesome. He's also the guy who lent me his guild bank.

  • Azaguth, April 2009

    AWESOME document Kreight. I read through it all, and I must say, I suddenly feel stupid for not having come up with something like this myself.

    The only thing that held me back from coming up with something like this is the knowledge that many people are wary of "package deals" that require more than one secure trade, at least from my understanding. But of course, you blew that theory out of the water.

    All I can say is, wow. Nice.

  • el, April 2009

    It's a very interesting idea - thanks for the write-up. Packaging up everything (including advice) one needs to power-level a profession has a lot of potential.

    As a footnote, fish-to-order was done by Elite Fish Vendor, although Blizzard didn't seem to like the idea of that being advertised.

  • Aqusia, May 2009

    The only thing I did not see in your guide is a shopping list! So I made one for Alliance for the Cooking 1-300 portion.

    Cooking 1-300 Kit Shopping List

    Ironforge, Dun Morogh, Eastern Kingdoms
    Tansy Puddlefizz, Forlorn Cavern
    o Longjaw Mud Snapper
    o Rockscale Cod
    o Mithril Head Trout

    o 75 Raw Longjaw Mud Snappers
    o 20 Raw Brilliant Smallfish
    o 70 Raw Bristle Whisker Catfish

    Stormwind, Elwynn Forest, Eastern Kingdoms
    Catherine Leland, Canals, Dock Near Trade District
    o Brilliant Smallfish
    o Bristle Whisker Catfish
    Kendor Kabonka, Old Town, Upstairs of Pig & Whistle Tavern
    o Curiously Tasty Omelet

    Booty Bay, Stranglethorn Vale, Eastern Kingdoms
    o 15 Raw Rockscale Cod
    o 45 Raw Mithril Head Trout
    o 25 Raw Spotted Yellowtails

    Any Raptor
    o 15 Raptor Eggs

    Steamwheedle Port, Tanaris, Kalimdor
    o Spotted Yellowtail
    o Poached Sunscale Salmon

    Bay of Storms, Azshara, Kalimdor
    o 25 Raw Sunscale Salmon
    o 25 Darkclaw Lobster

    Feathermoon Stronghold, Feralas, Kalimdor
    o Lobster Stew

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Leveling Fishing in 3.0.3

  • el, November 2008

    If anyone is leveling fishing at the moment, I'd love to know how many catches skill-ups are taking. This report suggests 18 catches from 299 to 300, and at least 10 catches from 298 to 299. That's rather extreme.

  • Prishe, November 2008

    Since I saw this post, I figured I would keep track of my fishing on my 3rd fisher.

    I leveled up from 347-356 today and 8 of those levels were 10 catches a piece. 2 levels were 11 catches.

  • Marlburo, November 2008

    A little off topic but any insight on the number of casts to go from 375-? I have the gear to start fishing in the new city as soon as I can get there, just wondering looking at the coin drop rates, etc how fast I will be able to get salty title.

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  • el, November 2008

    Marlburo wrote:

    A little off topic but any insight on the number of casts to go from 375-?

    In the final beta version, about 1,000 catches form 375 to 450. But as this topic demonstrates, we're really not going to know for sure until Thursday...

  • Cozmic, November 2008

    Whats the drop rate on the coins? There's about about 15 of all 3 types if I remember correctly.

  • el, November 2008

    All about coins. If you'd like to discuss coins, please do so in a new topic. Thank you.

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Lvl 35?

  • yazevo, November 2008

    if that the only lvl reg to get 450 fishing skill?

  • el, November 2008

    If you train in Northrend, there is no level requirement listed for Master or Grand Master. So you just need to complete the Artisan quest, which requires level 35.

  • yazevo, November 2008

    Just what i wanted to know. Thanks for the response and such a sweet site el!

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Not digging the new guides..

  • Astrelle, April 2009

    I don't really like the new guides, particularly the fishing/cooking one. One of the things I liked about the guide was it told us were all the recipes are... no more. There seem to be a lot of recipes not told where they are (atleast in the horde guide.)

    And why go to Plaguelands? Ferelas doesn't have the day/night fishes anymore? Lowbee anglers certainly can't fish there. I guess the guides are more for people that are 80.

  • el, April 2009

    Thanks for the comment, Astrelle.

    The source of all the recipes used should be shown, but I'll add a single reference list.

    The guide is intended for power-leveling, so is optimised to reduce travel time. Hence the Horde guide spends a lot of time visiting a few zones very close to the Undercity.

    But I know that it is used at lower level, so try to find a method that is still useful. This has become much harder to write with patch 3.1, because the places fish can be caught still scale up with level, yet only level 10 is required to catch and cook (almost) everything.

    Feralas certainly can be used as an alternative to the Western Plaguelands, but it isn't terribly suitable for those at low level. I guess mid-level Horde have a specific problem getting through the Bulwark. The Alliance guide gives the option of traveling up from Hillsbrad Foothills, which is safe at about level 20+, so I'll add that to the low-level suggestions.

    Now the Eastern Plaguelands are a real problem at low level, but so is ever similar zone. For example, the only part of Feralas with the same fish is Jademir Lake, which is surrounded by level 60-ish elites. I think the best suggestion for low-level Horde is to swim up to the Bay of Storms in Azshara.

    Any other thoughts from others that have tried using the leveling guides?

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